Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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Let us know how you can you tell which guys are Hezbollah when you’re on public transport or grocery shopping.
Just stay out of Hezbollah controlled areas.
Part of the reason Israel is doing this is so Lebanese people turn on Hezbollah. If they choose not to then they can only blame themselves when more of this happens.
If only there was a simple way for this to end.
Oh wait, it just hit me. Hezbollah can stop attacking Israel and retreat behind the Litani River, per UN Resolution 1701.
Seems like a great idea, wouldn't you agree?
You probably won't get an answer. People cling tightly to their victim mentality.
Just stay out of Hezbollah controlled areas.
Part of the reason Israel is doing this is so Lebanese people turn on Hezbollah. If they choose not to then they can only blame themselves when more of this happens.
You’re telling thousands of people in a country already on the brink of financial collapse to just get up and move or they only have themselves to blame? Are you ******ed?
Seems like as good a time as any for Hezbollah to stop firing rockets and drones into Israel and retreat behind the Litani River, wouldn't you say?
Seems like a good time for you to try to be able to hold two thoughts in your head at once. It would both be good if Hezbollah stopped attacking Israel and if Israel stopped doing things like this that I know with 100% certainty you would call a cowardly terrorist attack were it perpetrated against IDF soldiers away from the battlefield.
You’re telling thousands of people in a country already on the brink of financial collapse to just get up and move or they only have themselves to blame? Are you ******ed?
Get up and move or put pressure on Hezbollah to leave. If this is not doable then they will have to deal with the consequences. This is why the world should be aiming their anger toward Hezbollah and Hamas and Iran and not Israel. It's the terrorist groups that are putting innocent civilians into harms way.
Seems like a good time for you to try to be able to hold two thoughts in your head at once. It would both be good if Hezbollah stopped attacking Israel and if Israel stopped doing things like this that I know with 100% certainty you would call a cowardly terrorist attack were it perpetrated against IDF soldiers away from the battlefield.
Israel doesn't randomly fire rockets into Lebanon. If you fire rockets into Israel and displace thousands of civilians then game on.
Seems like a good time for you to try to be able to hold two thoughts in your head at once. It would both be good if Hezbollah stopped attacking Israel and if Israel stopped doing things like this that I know with 100% certainty you would call a cowardly terrorist attack were it perpetrated against IDF soldiers away from the battlefield.
First off, I dont think I have used the term "cowardly terrorist attack," or anything similar in this thread. This is you projecting a straw man. I accept that due to power dynamics, the Islamist forces trying to destroy Israel are going to use asymmetric tactics.
I oppose Hamas and the rest of the Islamist IRI proxies attempting to destroy Israel not because of the tactics employed, but because of their ends (genocide of the Jews and plunging the entire MENA back into 6th century theocracy with Stone Age value systems).
Now that we have cleared this up, this current war has been going on for 11 months when Hezbollah started attacking Israel. And Israel just started doing stuff like this yesterday, 11 months into the war. So clearly the war would/will continue unabated even if Israel didn't do stuff like this.
Whereas the day Hezbollah stops firing rockets and drones into Israel and retreats behind the Litani River is the day this war ends.
So seems pretty clear what needs to happen for the war to end. Unless of course, you actually are ok with Hezbollah's war on Israel, and just wish they were doing better.
You’re telling thousands of people in a country already on the brink of financial collapse to just get up and move or they only have themselves to blame? Are you ******ed?
Listen, liberal, the IDF is the most moral fighting force in the world, and their attacks are specifically targeted to only hit terrorists, terror suspects, family members of terror suspects, people who buy secondhand consumer electronics, and/or schmucks who were just unlucky deciding where to sit on the bus. So yes, it's your fault if your child gets maimed or killed, you should have moved to a different country if you didn't want that to happen.
let me help
firing off tens of thousands of unguided rockets at your neighbor = terrorism
blowing up hezbollah's communications devices = genius
any other questions
Or let me help even further
Israel sucks
Hamas sucks
Hezbollah sucks
Iran sucks
USA #1 sucks
Everybody sucks
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First off, I dont think I have used the term "cowardly terrorist attack," or anything similar in this thread. This is you projecting a straw man. I accept that due to power dynamics, the Islamist forces trying to destroy Israel are going to use asymmetric tactics.
I oppose Hamas and the rest of the Islamist IRI proxies attempting to destroy Israel not because of the tactics employed, but because of their ends (genocide of the Jews and plunging the entire MENA back into 6th century theocracy wit
First of all, you have relentlessly decried their tactics, as one should, so I don’t buy that argument.
I’m not also not arguing that Hezbollah isn’t the instigator in this part of the war or that they’re somehow good guys.
Nevertheless, my point stands that this would be considered a terrorist attack if the situation were reversed, not only because of the perpetrator but because of the method and its consequences.
Get up and move or put pressure on Hezbollah to leave. If this is not doable then they will have to deal with the consequences. This is why the world should be aiming their anger toward Hezbollah and Hamas and Iran and not Israel. It's the terrorist groups that are putting innocent civilians into harms way.
Yeah, it’s not doable. And you’re not blaming Hezbollah, you’re blaming Hezbollah and poor families who have no way to flee these areas or overturn armed militants because you don’t think these people deserve both your brain cells firing before commenting.
Nevertheless, my point stands that this would be considered a terrorist attack if the situation were reversed, not only because of the perpetrator but because of the method and its consequences.
Go ahead and call it a terrorist attack if you want. I am more or less indifferent towards semantic debates. However, as has been the case everyday since 10/7/2023, I think the best course of action to end the war in the North is for Hezbollah to stop attacking Israel and retreat behind the borders agreed to at the end of the last war.
And if you aren't aligned on this, then that indicates you have some other interest that is a higher priority than actually ending the war.
Go ahead and call it a terrorist attack if you want. I am more or less indifferent towards semantic debates. However, as has been the case everyday since 10/7/2023, I think the best course of action to end the war in the North is for Hezbollah to stop attacking Israel and retreat behind the borders agreed to at the end of the last war.
And if you aren't aligned on this, then that indicates you have some other interest that is a higher priority than actually ending the war.
There’s literally nothing I have said on this topic that would indicate otherwise.
Haaretz is now reporting that Germany has quietly stopped shipping offensive arms to Israel. Unlike the UK, which has made itself irrelevant on the international stage through de-industrialization, Germany is a major arms supplier to Israel, and this will be a big deal if it continues.
Ironically, this could actually incentive Israel to be more aggressive now in trying to neutralize IRI proxies as much as possible while it has munitions. With uncertain future of munitions, Israel cant afford the long war of attrition the IRI supported forces such as Hamas and Hezbollah favor.
FWIW, I would love for the whole region to be at peace. I would love for there to be a functional, peaceful Palestinian state. And for Lebanon to take back their country from the IRI and Hezbollah. And the same for Yemen.
I just dont see how we get there by being agnostic towards all the mischief of the IRI and all its proxy groups, and selectively outraged by Israel's actions. I dont think it is an accident that the nations of the MENA that have resisted IRI influence are more or less at peace and functional, and the ones that align themselves with the IRI are **** shows.
But that is just me.
I mean even if it is terrorism, why are we holding Israel to a higher standard? As far as I can see terrorism seems to be standard practice of war among Islamic nations. So anywhere it’s a standard practice of war, why should Israel handcuff themselves? Hell even if they only did terrorism, they would still be handcuffing themselves because they don’t fire rockets indiscriminately at civilians.
Point isn’t I support terrorism or think this is terrorism. Point is that there are currently ridiculous double standards at the expense of Israel when they are practically saints compared to their belligerent neighbors (which they aren’t all belligerent by any means).
Smoke rises from mobile phone shop in Lebanon’s Sidon
Smoke billows out of a mobile phone shop in Sidon after hand-held radios used by Hezbollah detonated on Wednesday (September 18) across Lebanon's south and in Beirut's southern suburbs, a security source and a witness said.
Maybe time to arrest Greg Brown
Hezbollah's indiscriminate rockets are pretty lucky to only hit military outposts and not cause any civilian casualties.
Haaretz is now reporting that Germany has quietly stopped shipping offensive arms to Israel. Unlike the UK, which has made itself irrelevant on the international stage through de-industrialization, Germany is a major arms supplier to Israel, and this will be a big deal if it continues.
The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) has developed its own unit of measurement to measure the volume of international transfers of major conventional weapons: the trend indicator value (TIV). The TIV of an item is intended to reflect its military capability rather than its financial value.
When measured in TIV, the UK was the seventh largest exporter of major convention weapons between 2018 and 2022 (behind the US, Russia, France, China, Germany and Italy).
Over this five-year period, aircraft were the UK’s main arms export, making up around a third (32%) of total TIV.
