Israel/Palestine thread
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forgot to include the link to the CFR article above
Yeah. Lebanon is a sectarian mess. Probably an omen of what is going to happen to many Western nations when they become majority minority or close to it; especially the ones that continue to import large numbers of people with a tribal, zero sum mindset.
As a western European, this does seem like a major concern.
Incredible we could be this stupid.
85% of Gaza schools have been destroyed.
, "the deliberate and systematic destruction of the Palestinian education system."
The Islamic world calls for guaranteeing the security of Israel in return for a Palestinian state.
- We are members of the Muslim Arab Committee, mandated by 57 Arab and Muslim countries, and I can tell you unequivocally that all of us are willing, right now, to guarantee the security of Israel in the context of Israel ending the occupation and allowing for the emergence of a Palestinian state
https://x.com/ForeignMinistry/status/183...
So much for the canard about all of Islam determined to destroy Israel.
The Islamic world calls for guaranteeing the security of Israel in return for a Palestinian state.
https://x.com/ForeignMinistry/status/183...
So much for the canard about all of Islam determined to destroy Israel.
All of Islam is not determined to destroy Israel. But enough of it is that Israel cant let their guard down. Even the nations whose governments are wiling to normalize relations, their people are generally extremely antisemitic and support the Axis of Resistance; and it requires extreme totalitarian force to keep the people in line.
Regardless, those countries have zero control over the people Israel is fighting, including the Palestinians, and have no path to exert any control. Most of them are fighting the Axis of Resistance themselves on a much smaller scale.
If Israel gave control of the West Bank, Hamas or another militant group would immediately start militarizing it and set up rocket launchers aimed at Israel. And none of those 57 nations "guaranteeing Israel security" would lift a finger to do anything about it.
Also, I dont know the conditions they are demanding; but all of the West Bank and Jerusalem is a non starter; and if that is their demands they are not serious and should not be taken seriously.
There will be some give and take negotiations; but you dont spend 80 years trying to destroy a nation, lose the entire time, and then get all your maximalist demands anyways when you sue for peace. That isn't how this works.
the liberal argument is always, well if we didnt do war then there would be war. its nonsensical.
I am not sure what you are talking about. while Israel and the USA are bombing civilians, Hezbollah are using their relatively limited weaponry to take out invading soldiers.
its actually quite sad seeing the pictures of these young Israelis, some still with braces who are now dead bc of an ideology of conquest and theft driven by hatred. and tbc, I mean Western supremacist idealogy.
I am not sure what you are talking about. while Israel and the USA are bombing civilians, Hezbollah are using their relatively limited weaponry to take out invading soldiers.
its actually quite sad seeing the pictures of these young Israelis, some still with braces who are now dead bc of an ideology of conquest and theft driven by hatred. and tbc, I mean Western supremacist idealogy.
Hello Victor, a simple request from an Israeli.
you can argue against Israel as mush as you want, and as vigorously as you may feel. But please don't distort the facts. argue your agenda based on truth.
I live in the northern part of Israel. ever since October 8th 2023, Hezbollah targeted mostly civilian targets, and not by mistake. hundred and hundred of anti tank missiles were fired directly at residentials homes. unlike bombs and artillery, that you may claim were fired to cities and villages "by mistake", in case of anti tank missiles, there is no doubt that they were fired purposely on civilians. a friend of mine in kfar yoval was killed from such a missile, way before Israel invaded Lebanon. another close friend was shot in Moshav Dovev and was injured, but thankfully survived.
Hezbollah has almost completely wiped out Kibbutz Manara and half of Metula. My sisters house in kibbutz Eylon was directly hit.
the fact that the civilian casualty numbers in Israel is "low", is thank to our air defense system and the fact that ever since October 8th, the government has housed more than 100,000 (from the sought and north) Israelis in hotels, including 5 star hotels. there are entire villages housed for an year now in hotels.
so argue for Palestinians, against Israel, but please be don't spread false information. there is enough fair and honest criticism against Israel.
85% of Gaza schools have been destroyed.
, "the deliberate and systematic destruction of the Palestinian education system."Obviously the UN will be writing a blank check to rebuild the school system. But hopefully this time they dont let their schools front as terrorist bases, and teach radicalism and antisemitism like the last iteration.
Starting the school system over from scratch may be the best thing for the Palestinians; considering how malignant and counterproductive the current iteration is.
Hello Victor, a simple request from an Israeli.
you can argue against Israel as mush as you want, and as vigorously as you may feel. But please don't distort the facts. argue your agenda based on truth.
I live in the northern part of Israel. ever since October 8th 2023, Hezbollah targeted mostly civilian targets, and not by mistake. hundred and hundred of anti tank missiles were fired directly at residentials homes. unlike bombs and artillery, that you may claim were fired to cities and villages
Victor has his truth, and isn't interested in reality. Almost al his posts are complete fabrications and distortions of reality, that in this forum really only the blatant antisemites endorses.
Victor is useful in that he is plugged into the pro Islamist, antisemetic propaganda machine, and mainly just parrots their propaganda; so you can see what they are up to any given day by hist posts. But there is no point trying to get him to acknowledge reality that doesn't support his truth.
by the guys own post they are shooting at empty houses
The Islamic world calls for guaranteeing the security of Israel in return for a Palestinian state.
https://x.com/ForeignMinistry/status/183...
So much for the canard about all of Islam determined to destroy Israel.
Logically speaking, even if it is true that the Islamic world is willing to guarantee the security of Israel, it does not follow that they do not wish that Israel would be destroyed. The statement could be made because they think they have little chance of achieving that goal and want to at least get something.
However, logically speaking, the fact that the statement might be a lie, and the fact that it might only be made in the same vein as the Japanese emperor in 1945, is not a reason Israel shouldn't accept the deal. Not if the deal saves children's lives.
no they are not. my friend and his mom were in their house. a bus of volunteers from my kibbutz was attacked. I can list thousands of examples.
and you are allowed to address me directly, even though im an Israeli and a jew.
kinda confused by your last sentence. what does that even mean?
Logically speaking, even if it is true that the Islamic world is willing to guarantee the security of Israel, it does not follow that they do not wish that Israel would be destroyed.
Yes, I think accepting Israel is a pragmatic step for the Islamic world more than a heart-felt one.
that you put words in my mouth in that sentence, and wrote about me, but not to me.
i did not write that Hezbollah are only firing at empty houses. to be clear, they are directly targeting occupied homes, field workers, farmers and such.
I invite you to an open dialogue about the situation, but based on facts.
specifically this part
even though im an Israeli and a jew
Logically speaking, even if it is true that the Islamic world is willing to guarantee the security of Israel, it does not follow that they do not wish that Israel would be destroyed. The statement could be made because they think they have little chance of achieving that goal and want to at least get something.
However, logically speaking, the fact that the statement might be a lie, and the fact that it might only be made in the same vein as the Japanese emperor in 1945, is not a reason Israel sh
They could even genuinelly accept it even though the dont really like it because they want something else even more. It also provides some foundation to be built on for the future even if now it doesn't require any substantive commitment.
Israel shoudl make a deal anyway but positive words from others can help with the politics.
As with 99% of the tweets you post, without giving any of your own thoughts (maybe you don’t have any), a few clicks is all it takes to figure out it’s completely useless. No one cares what some washed up greek politician thinks about Israel and Hamas, well except the bot accounts, always a ton of those commenting on the tweets you provide lmao.
Just driving my point home. Thanks.
Logically speaking, even if it is true that the Islamic world is willing to guarantee the security of Israel, it does not follow that they do not wish that Israel would be destroyed. The statement could be made because they think they have little chance of achieving that goal and want to at least get something.
However, logically speaking, the fact that the statement might be a lie, and the fact that it might only be made in the same vein as the Japanese emperor in 1945, is not a reason Israel sh
I don't think Israel is prepared under any circumstances to tolerate a Palestinian state, because the Israelis know it would be hostile given their own actions since 1948 and particularly since 1967, and their entire settlement strategy is designed to make such a state impossible. And their present military tactics indicate quite strongly that they do not care about the lives of any children in the region who are not Israelis, beyond a certain concern that such children should preferably not survive to adulthood and should not therefore be in any position to exact military retribution in the future. That tends to be a quite usual rule governing parochial ethnic warfare of this kind.
