President Elon Musk
He probably deserves his own thread at this point, discuss accordingly
A ton of people related to the democratic party and some RINO republicans and adjacent people as well. You know, most american beneficiaries of USAID money . It's 20-30 billions of political gifts per year to them, all fully unjustified in terms of american taxpayers advantages.
They know that when exposed in full the 10M to do some random bullshit thing in indonesia and spend only 800k on actual indonesian people with 9.2m being sinecures to democrats for doing literally nothing other than bein
So, it hasn't yet been exposed, but somehow you already know where this money has gone?
? some entities receiving the money are very straightforward on what they do with it and even believing them 100% (so before you start talking about fraud) the destination is horrific
So why was Musk needed? You're saying these abuses were already public knowledge, but congress didn't do anything about it?
I am seeing lots of people giving examples of money going to certain things as reasons why they support Musk being given license to do this.
But has he actually released any kind of report already? I haven't seen or even heard of one. If not, showing that lots of abuses were already known, with nothing done about them, doesn't in any way show that this current project was necessary. It seems to show the opposite.
President Trump and Elon are great 3D Chess masters.
They sold Elon by saying "he's gonna look to see where we can cut costs here and there to save the gov't money" but it was a sting and a shakedown operation to scoop up evidence and clean out the corruption that got too carried away over the past 50 years.
So why was Musk needed? You're saying these abuses were already public knowledge, but congress didn't do anything about it?
I am seeing lots of people giving examples of money going to certain things as reasons why they support Musk being given license to do this.
But has he actually released any kind of report already? I haven't seen or even heard of one. If not, showing that lots of abuses were already known, with nothing done about them, doesn't in any way show that this current project was nec
the database wasn't easily searchable, one of the thing DOGE did was re-label it and make it more searchable for keywords and whatnot. there is a Twitter account explaining all of this you care
and it's week 1 (or 2?) of hopefully 2 years, maybe 4, of constant pressuring on these topics.
DOGE is reporting to the specific agencies so in this case, to the state department (unless judges block the folding of USAID into it) , to take the appropriate actions.
heads are starting to roll, the top ones without judicial interference.
the masses at USAID just got a short reprieve (were supposed to get fired 98% of them like today) by a judge. we'll see what happens later on.
there won't necessarily be any report of the kind you ask for. Same as there never was a detailed report on all the atrocities democrats and RINOs inserted in the federal budget.
this isn't done to convince anyone btw.
This is done now far from elections to attempt to destroy leftists (and RINOs) power bases in an irreparable way, so that even if they go back to power, they don't have the same weapons to use against the American people they had before.
USAID money was (is?) basically mostly money used to keep an army of leftists on payrolls (directly and indirectly) to wage war against everyone else in society. an economic war, a cultural war, a war of ideas. right-wing people are paying the domestic enemies to fight against themselves.
the program is smart and it actually saves some lives here and there so that normies look at it and think "why would anyone hate on it", all while tens of billions every year go to leftists, their clientes, their relatives, their powerbase in American society and in other countries.
This must stop.
if you disagree either with the notion that USAID is a tool to promote leftism worldwide, or that it is a bad thing for it to exist doing that, ofc you will disagree with DOGE and trump admin attempts to burn it to the ground for good
The idea that a non-transparent process that isn't recorded and doesn't allow oversight is somehow a fight against corruption is political naivety at its finest.
That it is carried out by non-vetted and inexperienced laymen hired by the world's richest man who bought himself the position is so bizarre that it is difficult to list all the questions that arise.
President Trump and Elon are great 3D Chess masters.
They sold Elon by saying "he's gonna look to see where we can cut costs here and there to save the gov't money" but it was a sting and a shakedown operation to scoop up evidence and clean out the corruption that got too carried away over the past 50 years.
So of all countries in the world, which country do you think the US should be modeled after?
If things were done with the funding outside of congressional approval, then sure that should be fixed, but I don't agree with an illegal immigrant and a bunch of racist college freshmen being sent to go it.
I'm certainly not going to take the word of someone on a platform owned by the guy who is heading this.
If it has been doing what was approved by congress, then that's something to take up with your congress person and not the fault of rank and file employees doing the jobs congress hired them to do.
This is an agency created by congress and funded by congress. If it needs fixing, they're the ones who are supposed to fix it.
If things were done with the funding outside of congressional approval, then sure that should be fixed, but I don't agree with an illegal immigrant and a bunch of racist college freshmen being sent to go it.
I'm certainly not going to take the word of someone on a platform owned by the guy who is heading this.
If it has been doing what was approved by congress, then that's something to take up with your congress person and not the fault of rank and file employees doing the jobs congress hired the
one of the big upcoming legal battle will be the one for or against impounding.
basically until 1974 the president could just refuse to spend money congress appropriated for executive functions.
in 1974 Congress passed an act removing that option, and Trump thinks that act is unconstitutional.
it will be litigated and the answer to that will answer your doubt about who can shut down USAID completely or in part basically.
because if POTUS can impound, he can simply shut USAID down for the parts he wants to.
This doesn't stop with USAID ofc, Trump is also trying not-to-spend appropriated money for "clean energy" , and other federal grants passed by democrats.
keep in mind that while the claim of unconstitutionality of the 1974 act wasn't offered by previous presidents, basically all of them (except Carter I think) were on record trying to get the power of impounding back (including Clinton and Obama)
I'm somewhat familiar with the impoundment issue, but if all these past presidents disagreed with it, why wasn't it taken to the SC until now?
Defending this DOGE thing as something that is being done correctly, legally and properly is the biggest lol I've ever heard and all the idiots in here defending it is extra lol.
As I've said in other threads, if this was Soros doing the "auditing" then the right wing morons would be attacking it continuously and with good reason.
Everyone knows the government wastes money and everyone wants it audited but no one should be in agreement that DOGE is even remotely the correct way to do it.
Back in 2008 I was working for a large hosting provider that was having a terrible time in their service desk and service delivery. Our VP put together a three man group to work just like DOGE, work outside the box and make things more efficient in time and resources. Our bonus was tied to two things - the number of man hours saved and time to resolution on issues/solution delivery.
Our approach with each issue was to work with the stakeholders to think outside the box and find ways to save money and time and still deliver the highest quality product. We reported back to the VP on our progress and saw many measurable improvements across the board. I did very well because of it.
I got an offer to join a start up and jumped at the chance. As I was delivering my resignation to the VP, he told me we were so successful the president wanted to turn this into a department with 25 people to do it across the entire company. I laughed that the whole department was going to get sucked into the corporate structure and it would make things worse. They went ahead and you can guess what happened. A year later I hired one of those co-workers to join the start up. Unfortunately, the main guy in the start up was a crook, hired his whole family at crazy salaries and drained the money but that's another story.
I really like the concept of DOGE but it should be run by a bipartisan agency and regularly report to Congress and be 100% transparent. Anyone who thinks Trump and Musk have the USA #1's best interest in mind is delusional, and that's a nice way to put it.
I really like the concept of DOGE but it should be run by a bipartisan agency and regularly report to Congress and be 100% transparent. Anyone who thinks Trump and Musk have the USA #1's best interest in mind is delusional, and that's a nice way to put it.
They're still clutching their Trump meme coins. Common sense is not so common anymore.
Defending this DOGE thing as something that is being done correctly, legally and properly is the biggest lol I've ever heard and all the idiots in here defending it is extra lol.
As I've said in other threads, if this was Soros doing the "auditing" then the right wing morons would be attacking it continuously and with good reason.
Everyone knows the government wastes money and everyone wants it audited but no one should be in agreement that DOGE is even remotely the correct way to do it.
Back in 20
the correct take
I'm somewhat familiar with the impoundment issue, but if all these past presidents disagreed with it, why wasn't it taken to the SC until now?
a combination of "not thinking the 1974 law was unconstitutional" and "not thinking SCOTUS at their time would have ruled the 1974 law was unconstitutional".
This is the first actually right-wing SCOTUS in a loooong while, a lot of things can happen which couldn't have happened 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago in court.
Defending this DOGE thing as something that is being done correctly, legally and properly is the biggest lol I've ever heard and all the idiots in here defending it is extra lol.
As I've said in other threads, if this was Soros doing the "auditing" then the right wing morons would be attacking it continuously and with good reason.
Everyone knows the government wastes money and everyone wants it audited but no one should be in agreement that DOGE is even remotely the correct way to do it.
Back in 20
Aqua, the bipartisan agency that regularly reports to Congress already exists, is called GAO, and can't do ****.
They already tried your suggestion.
They find 200-500 bln of fraud per year (and that's without disagreeing with ANY destination). Nothing gets done.
anyway, Marko Elez will be hired back
Everyone knows the government wastes money and everyone wants it audited but no one should be in agreement that DOGE is even remotely the correct way to do it.
agree 100% but this is the natural reaction when decades of do nothing admins just allow the problem to fester
our problems are so ingrained they just systemic, like it's not that we're particularly corrupt or inefficient it's just the way things are
like when you read fire and fury and fear - two overwhelmingly negative books about trump, it regularly showcases trump asking things like "why are we subsidizing billions to japan and south korea? that doesn't make any sense" and the answer is "sir if we don't ww3 will happen"
ww3 will not happen, what is happening is those are career civil servants and because those policies have been around their entire existence, they assume they must be a necessity
the reality is we could do a complete withdrawal of asia and very little would change other than dealing with having 100k former military now looking for work - which historically doesn't end very well but we could obviously plan that out and do it in phases where they get redeployed or at least stop bringing in new soldiers to send over there and let it phase out
The world's richest man has bought himself a position where he can assume shut down public departments using inexperienced and non-vetted laymen with questionable loyalties, while private security is stopping elected representatives from entering the same premises.
Meanwhile, instead of enforcing the law, the executive branch is writing bizarre letters lauding these events while alluding to mysterious conspiracies but providing no detail, a practice more reminiscent of Stalin's CCCP than a functioning democracy.
I'd say you are well beyond the point of "particularly corrupt", and veering dangerously close to "failed democracy".
Can we stop referring to this bullshit as DOGE? Cool guy midlifecrisis wanting this to be referred to as a memecoin for lolz should be disqualifying from the jump
The world's richest man has bought himself a position where he can assume shut down public departments using inexperienced and non-vetted laymen with questionable loyalties, while private security is stopping elected representatives from entering the same premises.
Meanwhile, instead of enforcing the law, the executive branch is writing bizarre letters lauding these events while alluding to mysterious conspiracies but providing no detail, a practice more reminiscent of Stalin's CCCP than
agreed, but this is what happens when government neglects doing their basic duty, you get zealots who show up and take the wheel and will obviously do terrible things that will serve their own interests while doing so
frankly, i'd rather let elon blow it up and then fix the mess he makes than continue to do nothing
agreed, but this is what happens when government neglects doing their basic duty, you get zealots who show up and take the wheel and will obviously do terrible things that will serve their own interests while doing so
frankly, i'd rather let elon blow it up and then fix the mess he makes than continue to do nothing
Let’s be absolutely clear here, Elon Musk is a ****ing fraud who has sunrun like nobody in the course of human history
If you do even a half-assed amount of research into his companies and his involvement in their ‘technological advancements’ you would be deeply terrified of the idea of this idiot having unlimited access into anything
agreed, but this is what happens when government neglects doing their basic duty, you get zealots who show up and take the wheel and will obviously do terrible things that will serve their own interests while doing so
frankly, i'd rather let elon blow it up and then fix the mess he makes than continue to do nothing
1 - can America withstand the ramifications of him blowing it up?
2 - does he have the ability, motivation, or desire to fix it once it blows up if his standing is better than before and there is no fear that his standing will change?
anyway, Marko Elez will be hired back
Elon Musk - also racist before it was cool. And grew up a rich white in apartheid South Africa, how could he not be?
