President Elon Musk
He probably deserves his own thread at this point, discuss accordingly
The bottom pic isn't legalization so I think we're dealing with a few more bales of straw here 😀
Singapore isn't even on my map of reasonable polities to learn something from like it doesn't even register.
Ultra violent paternalism isn't for me, doesn't matter if the visible outcome is decent, it's so completely incompatible with every fiber of western values, it can only work with those Asians which give no value to individual freedom.
it was intentional hyperbole to prove a point about his strawman
and no buddy, that image was not about legalization at all, it was about general government being incompetent - it's unforgiveable that we have a government that is ok with places like kensington street
You believe that luciom ideology (which you said many times you agree with) with no government at all or close too will eliminate those places like Kensington street?
Sounds like "throw the baby out with the bathwater".
Government ain’t perfect but so is the private sector .
There isn’t perfect solution .
I mean it’s funny how almost every advanced civilization can have adequate efficient government except the U.S. .
Keep cutting those wages and benefits, I’m sure it will bring the best to be hired .
You believe that luciom ideology (which you said many times you agree with) with no government at all or close too will eliminate those places like Kensington street?
Sounds like "throw the baby out with the bathwater".
Government ain’t perfect but so is the private sector .
There isn’t perfect solution .
I mean it’s funny how almost every advanced civilization can have adequate efficient government except the U.S. .
Keep cutting those wages and benefits, I’m sure it will bri
bruh luciom and i disagree on so much stuff and this is where we differ the most - my positions on those issues couldn't be further from what you described
he even came down from on high and commented that living in singapore would be hell
you're so eager to toss in an insult about my positions you didn't even bother to find out what they were
try to keep up
Ultra violent paternalism isn't for me, doesn't matter if the visible outcome is decent, it's so completely incompatible with every fiber of western values, it can only work with those Asians which give no value to individual freedom.
I think we could have better visible outcomes by structuring society in a way where most everybody is getting a fair shake/has some skin in the game. The vast majority of people here have very little real freedom in practice. Our cities should be absolute gems compared to what we actually have overall. Everyone having more freedom is better than just a few having anything that really resembles it imo anyway.
I think we could have better visible outcomes by structuring society in a way where most everybody is getting a fair shake/has some skin in the game. The vast majority of people here have very little real freedom in practice. Our cities should be absolute gems compared to what we actually have overall. Everyone having more freedom is better than just a few having anything that really resembles it imo anyway.
I'm curious what you mean by freedom
Big topic but being in control of what they do with their time seems like a good start. I think most people are stuck spending most of their time doing things they don't really want to just to try to survive while feeling they have little choice to do otherwise because so much of it is tied to people's financial situations. I mean I know we could argue they are making that choice/have the potential to bail out and try something different etc but for most it would just screw them even more--which pretty much means they're locked in from any practical standpoint ie, not free.
Singapore isn't even on my map of reasonable polities to learn something from like it doesn't even register.
Ultra violent paternalism isn't for me, doesn't matter if the visible outcome is decent, it's so completely incompatible with every fiber of western values, it can only work with those Asians which give no value to individual freedom.
Oh wow
what is wow? the idea that some cultures give minimal value to individuality?
many anthropologists/historians before the topics got militarily controlled by the left studied the topic and came out with the answer about Asians being far more collectivist everywhere water works were essential for agriculture.
basically where there was a need for massive collective effort not to starve for centuries/millennia, they became collectivists.
everywhere else individualism was en force.
except Scandinavia where all the individualists fled to the USA and what was left were collectivists, but this was recent
I mean he started out pretty good before going off the rails there at the end.
I wonder what old Luciom would've been doing back in the--playing dress up with il duce or fighting with the resistance? 😀
move? I am not a ****ing samurai. the only actual real moral imperative is doing what's best for you, your family, your friends.
nothing else matters, everything else is lost in the dust of time very quickly. blood is thick, the rest is nothing.
neither "resisting" nor appeasing a dictator (unless there is a strong chance he will never lose) are good options. you ****ing move, that's the moral imperative.
which means you don't build anything of value which can't be moved in a fragile society, because you are planning for several generations down the line.
in general in any situation the utmost moral imperative is doing what you can to carve a niche of wellbeing of success for yourself , your family, and if you can your friends.
a movable one if possible.
I think we could have better visible outcomes by structuring society in a way where most everybody is getting a fair shake/has some skin in the game. The vast majority of people here have very little real freedom in practice. Our cities should be absolute gems compared to what we actually have overall. Everyone having more freedom is better than just a few having anything that really resembles it imo anyway.
zero immigration of low quality people, and ample use of the death penalty to get rid of the tiny minority of troublemakers (yes, I am thinking death penalty for any violent crime), fixes it .
we just abdicated in everything that works to make societies good.
the vast majority of crimes are committed by a tiny minority of repeat criminals. there are people "known to law enforcement" who got arrested like 20+ times. lol wtf you should be ****ing dead at most after 5, preferably sooner.
yes our cities should be far better than they are. and the only reason they aren't is leftism
Luciom,
Lol.
No anthropologists or historians who aren't idiots think Asians all have the same culture or traits like that.
Prisons are Universities of crime.
You believe that luciom ideology (which you said many times you agree with) with no government at all or close too will eliminate those places like Kensington street?
Sounds like "throw the baby out with the bathwater".
Government ain’t perfect but so is the private sector .
There isn’t perfect solution .
I mean it’s funny how almost every advanced civilization can have adequate efficient government except the U.S. .
Keep cutting those wages and benefits, I’m sure it will bring the best to be hired
I am not an anarchist jfc. I am for government for law enforcement. I am for a very legally violent one. execute all rapists, robbers, car stealer, rioters, anyone who used violence unprovoked at the first offence.
Luciom,
Lol.
No anthropologists or historians who aren't idiots think Asians all have the same culture or traits like that.
yes I meant eastern Asians in water-heavy (rice cultivating) cultures. that's what historians (and other researchers)
studied.
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The rice theory of culture argues that the high labor demands and interdependent irrigation networks of paddy rice farming makes cultures more collectivistic than wheat-farming cultures. Despite prior evidence, proving causality is difficult because people are not randomly assigned to farm rice. In this study, we take advantage of a unique time when the Chinese government quasi-randomly assigned people to farm rice or wheat in two state farms that are otherwise nearly identical. The rice farmers show less individualism, more loyalty/nepotism toward a friend over a stranger, and more relational thought style. These results rule out confounds in tests of the rice theory, such as temperature, latitude, and historical events. The differences suggest rice-wheat cultural differences can form in a single generation.
I am not an anarchist jfc. I am for government for law enforcement. I am for a very legally violent one. execute all rapists, robbers, car stealer, rioters, anyone who used violence unprovoked at the first offence.
Dumbocrats are always wanting to say J6 people are traitors and to have them shot and whatnot or to silence right wing speech and I am always telling them that giving the state all that power is only bad and it will use it against the left more than the right.
But, you think the leftist governments oppress the right. If that's true, you should want to limit government power before you find yourself up against a wall.
Dumbocrats are always wanting to say J6 people are traitors and to have them shot and whatnot or to silence right wing speech and I am always telling them that giving the state all that power is only bad and it will use it against the left more than the right.
But, you think the leftist governments oppress the right. If that's true, you should want to limit government power before you find yourself up against a wall.
wrongful imprisonment is a lot worse than death, no decent person would ever prefer imprisonment to death to begin with, if innocent.
lack of freedom is infinitely worse than death for anyone who has decent morals.
the state already has the power to wrongfully imprison you, it would be far better if it just killed people.
yes I meant eastern Asians in water-heavy (rice cultivating) cultures. that's what historians (and other researchers)
studied.
/
The rice theory of culture argues that the high labor demands and interdependent irrigation networks of paddy rice farming makes cultures more collectivistic than wheat-farming cultures. Despite prior evidence, proving causality is difficult because people are not randomly assigned to farm rice. In this study, we take advantage of a unique time when the Chinese governmen
this is widely discussed in asia - chinese even regularly mention that the major difference between north and south is that southern men are docile and effeminate who'd fix insults via diplmoacy because in the rice growing south cooperation and getting along with your neighbor was paramount for survival whereas in the wheat/millet growing north those skills weren't needed so the northerners are generally viewed as the aggressive men's men who'll gladly get in a bar fight if you insult them
the only people who would find this statement racist is whitey
I can sympathize with not wanting to be taken alive, but it's hardly immoral to prefer prison to death. Hard to tell what's wrong with you, but it's something and I'm beginning to feel like it's either mean to keep arguing with you or I'm just being trolled.
I can sympathize with not wanting to be taken alive, but it's hardly immoral to prefer prison to death. Hard to tell what's wrong with you, but it's something and I'm beginning to feel like it's either mean to keep arguing with you or I'm just being trolled.
it's immoral to prefer to risk wrongfully imprisoning someone for life rather than just killing him.
the state already can wrongfully imprison you for life so going back to when the state actually killed people legally is just better (and more moral) especiatif you account for state mistakes/abuses.
it's far better if the abuse is a bunch of innocent people get killed vs a bunch of innocent people get life no parole. like, not even close.
life has no value absent freedom and it's actually continuing torture to imprison an innocent, killing him is FAR more humane
this is widely discussed in asia - chinese even regularly mention that the major difference between north and south is that southern men are docile and effeminate who'd fix insults via diplmoacy because in the rice growing south cooperation and getting along with your neighbor was paramount for survival whereas in the wheat/millet growing north those skills weren't needed so the northerners are generally viewed as the aggressive men's men who'll gladly get in a bar fight if you insult them
the on
the rice/wheat divide in china is one of the most important cultural divides in human history
Luciom,
When you mean rice farmers, say rice farmers.
Now you post a study that shows that people adjust very quickly when being switched from farming rice to wheat, right?
So are most Asians in Singapore rice farmers? Or did most of them switch to something else? How come they didn't adjust like the people in the study you pointed out?
Luciom,
When you mean rice farmers, say rice farmers.
Now you post a study that shows that people adjust very quickly when being switched from farming rice to wheat, right?
So are most Asians in Singapore rice farmers? Or did most of them switch to something else? How come they didn't adjust like the people in the study you pointed out?
their recent ancestors were. it's all southern Chinese.
culture is sticky //
By the 1860s, Chinese migrants made up 65% of the population in Singapore, becoming the majority race. But where did Singapore’s early Chinese migrants come from? There were two main types of migrants, one that came from southern China (Fujian and Guangdong) and another from Southeast Asia.
The migrants from southern China made up the bulk of the influx of migrants. From coastal cities along southern China, these migrants were considered more adaptable and outward facing than the land-bound northern Chinese. Faced with the turmoils of the Taiping Rebellion (against the Manchu emperors) and natural disasters, many Chinese migrants left for Singapore in search of a better life. These migrants were mostly single males who were not well-educated, so they mostly worked as manual labourers.
