President Elon Musk
He probably deserves his own thread at this point, discuss accordingly
1 - can America withstand the ramifications of him blowing it up?
2 - does he have the ability, motivation, or desire to fix it once it blows up if his standing is better than before and there is no fear that his standing will change?
what do you think would happen if say musk just wanted to do other stuff with his life?
the trump admin would try to burn down all parts of government linked to leftism anyway. do you think somehow Musk makes this worse?
You mean after he blows it up? Yes, if he comes out ahead and there's no risk of not staying ahead (in power and wealth), then I feel fixing the blow up he created will give him zero interest and he'll move on to the next thing that will benefit himself.
the trump admin would try to burn down all parts of government linked to leftism anyway. do you think somehow Musk makes this worse?
Which parts of the government are linked to leftism that have a significant impact on American life? Be specific.
As to your question, I can't really take anyone seriously who feels that Musk and a bunch of intern hackers with zero vetting have America's best interests at heart. They may, but they have not proven that at all nor have they made any attempt to.
Which parts of the government are linked to leftism that have a significant impact on American life? Be specific.
As to your question, I can't really take anyone seriously who feels that Musk and a bunch of intern hackers with zero vetting have America's best interests at heart. They may, but they have not proven that at all nor have they made any attempt to.
they don't have "america's best interest at heart" because that can't be defined objectively, different people with different values will consider different directions better or worse. there is no "america best" definable and it's kinda silly to think that you believe there is.
there is no "American people" that shares a goal, with different opinions about how to reach it. there are groups that live for fundamentally different values, and want fundamentally different societies, that hate what the other group like.
they have a plan for America that will be appreciated by right-wing libertarians, tolerated by others and hated by others.
DoE(education) is linked to leftism. EPA is linked to leftism. HUD is linked to leftism. FDA is linked to leftism. USAID is linked to leftism. Medicaid is linked to leftism.
SS/medicare are as well but that can't be touched politically. The rest can. either to remove power from the federal state and give it back to the states that should have it, or just to make it as hard as possible for the federal state to "act leftist".
you know what experts call "state capacity"? imagine destroying it on purpose from all angles for all things that leftists care about and right-wing people don't (like "the climate").
how do you make it as hard as possible for leftists in the future to do "climate stuff"? you attack universities, which will be one of the next battles.
you start granting research funds only to climate skeptics/people who ask for mitigation not CO2 reductions.
you attack tax exempt endowments.
you do the left but reversed.
that's just an example of what I expect they will attempt with or without Musk.
they don't have "america's best interest at heart" because that can't be defined objectively, different people with different values will consider different directions better or worse. there is no "america best" definable and it's kinda silly to think that you believe there is.
there is no "American people" that shares a goal, with different opinions about how to reach it. there are groups that live for fundamentally different values, and want fundamentally different societies, that hate what the
I'm sure if you thought really hard about it, you can come up with beliefs that are objectively good for the USA.
There was even an entire four-page document written about it and it starts like this:
"WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
DoE(education) is linked to leftism. EPA is linked to leftism. HUD is linked to leftism. FDA is linked to leftism. USAID is linked to leftism. Medicaid is linked to leftism.
SS/medicare are as well but that can't be touched politically. The rest can. either to remove power from the federal state and give it back to the states that should have it, or just to make it as hard as possible for the federal state to "act leftist".
you know what experts call "state capacity"? imagine destroying it on purp
So you're saying that education, science, consumer protection, and health are inherently leftist?
Let’s be absolutely clear here, Elon Musk is a ****ing fraud who has sunrun like nobody in the course of human history
If you do even a half-assed amount of research into his companies and his involvement in their ‘technological advancements’ you would be deeply terrified of the idea of this idiot having unlimited access into anything
agree 100%
1 - can America withstand the ramifications of him blowing it up?
2 - does he have the ability, motivation, or desire to fix it once it blows up if his standing is better than before and there is no fear that his standing will change?
you can see my longstanding anti-elon posting in the tsla showing cracks thread - i do not admire him, i think he's a con artist and a serial liar
but you must give credit where it's due, he absolutely knows how to run a disruptive organization
again, i'm not pro elon in the slightest, but i've been pro tearing it all down to save america for a very long time, i've been consistent on this for years, you can see me rooting for a junta to occur during the covid due to government mismanagement - literally cheering for the downfall of our government because literally anything in my mind will be an improvement over what we had then
a structured and non-violent drastic reform led by an autist is a top of the range outcome for a revolution imo - i am worried it'll all lead to naught though so my expectations are very low
I'm sure if you thought really hard about it, you can come up with beliefs that are objectively good for the USA.
There was even an entire four-page document written about it and it starts like this:
"WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for th
Education done at the federal level is leftism yes.
Welfare is leftism (medicaid is welfare.
State paternalism (medicare/ss) is leftism or rightwing authoritarian, not libertarian, and anyway it's leftism to do it at the federal level.
"Science" that predicates more socialism is needed is leftism yes.
In general most "public goods" concepts are leftism, centralization of decision making (so if you disagree you have no escape) is leftism, dirigism is leftism.
I know the "general welfare" in the preamble has been read with socialist eyes since socialism was invented by some people, that still doesn't make it socialist.
The generic platitudes of "liberty" and so on mean nothing until defined.
And when defined people are sometimes even willing to go to war over the differences.
There is no social welfare function, there is no "objective good" for American people, there are different groups of people with opposite deep-seated values that disagree completely on the most fundamental questions of life
agree 100%
you can see my longstanding anti-elon posting in the tsla showing cracks thread - i do not admire him, i think he's a con artist and a serial liar
but you must give credit where it's due, he absolutely knows how to run a disruptive organization
again, i'm not pro elon in the slightest, but i've been pro tearing it all down to save america for a very long time, i've been consistent on this for years, you can see me rooting for a junta to occur during the covid due to government mismanagem
You don't have to assert whether you are pro or anti-Musk; it's irrelevant to the questions.
Since you've been wanting to tear down the government for a long time, which country's government system do you like better and why?
Education done at the federal level is leftism yes.
Welfare is leftism (medicaid is welfare.
State paternalism (medicare/ss) is leftism or rightwing authoritarian, not libertarian, and anyway it's leftism to do it at the federal level.
"Science" that predicates more socialism is needed is leftism yes.
In general most "public goods" concepts are leftism, centralization of decision making (so if you disagree you have no escape) is leftism, dirigism is leftism.
I know the "general welfare" in the preamb
You're asserting a lot of subjective opinions and calling them leftist.
Lol at the Constitution being four pages of platitudes. Liberty "and so on" are clearly defined in the document.
Since you've been wanting to tear down the government for a long time, which country's government system do you like better and why?
literally anything other than what we got, most of europe is doing it way better than we are, same for asia
singapore would probably be the ideal but unsure if that's practical on a grand scale
I fail to see how the choice between decisions being made at the nation level versus a more local level has anything to do with left/right.
However, in the US, the idea of "states' rights" is strongly linked with the institution of slavery and the discriminatory laws which followed it.
I fail to see how the choice between decisions being made at the nation level versus a more local level has anything to do with left/right.
However, in the US, the idea of "states' rights" is strongly linked with the institution of slavery and the discriminatory laws which followed it.
If the decision is at the state level, that allows competition of ideas and models. That allows people to know, to a good degree of certainty, if a model works better than the other.
Imagine free college for state residents. California does it, Texas doesn't do it. California has to tax more to do it obviously. People see the differences and can then choose.
And, most importantly, different people can consider different societal results as preferable. So they can MOVE WHERE THE STATE IS MORE ALIGNED WITH THEIR PREFERENCES. That always increases the wellbeing of people.
So in a sense, it's always indefensible to ask for something to be done at the federal and not state level, unless it's physically impossible to do at the state level (national defense, tariffs, that kind of things).
BUT, leftism has always being about exercising control over the people for the sake of it, never caring about actual outcome. The only goal of leftists is to reach a position where they decide for everyone about as many things as possible. That's their life mission, their sole purpose politically, the end of their arc of history.
And centralization is absolutely indispensable for that. Only with centralized decision making from which you cannot escape, leftism can flourish. Keep in mind they want to go global with their rules and institutions, under the idea that they will control them forever, thus controlling all of humanity forever.
For one, leftism can't allow you to just move elsewhere saying "**** your higher taxes for your programs", because they know they have to entrap higher income people to pay for the rest of the population otherwise their programs automatically fail. And in general, they don't want you to be free to choose anything of substance especially in your economic life.
One of the most important early decisions by the Trump admin has been to ditch the horrific, ultra leftist "global tax compact".
The explicit attempt to give NO ESCAPE to companies from violent expropriation by the states
With that in place no more data points would exist about what happens if the corporate taxation rate is lower than 15% or is removed entirely. No counter proof to leftism is allowed to exist worldwide. We are denied a chunck of possibility spaces forever and leftism cements it's position.
Then it's incredibly easy to raise it once in place.
That is just an example, but an important one and it gives the idea.
And keep in mind that even within states, for the states whose constitutions allow for it, a ton of internal federalism is still auspicable.
Nothing should be done at the state level which can be done at the county level. This is more relevant for big states of course.
If you understand why tobacco and alcohol should be taxed/limited (if the people wish so) at the LOCAL level, then you might understand why the same is true for everything that's impossible not to do at the local level.
The federal government (and state governments) should be used to harmonize rules to the BOTTOM. That's what the commerce clause was for. To *limit* what localities (or states) can ban, never to impose a ban on anything.
No substance should be banned at the federal level for example, while the federal government should impede states and localities to ban substances that aren't provenly very dangerous, to help commerce being smooth as the constitution explicitly allows the federal government to do.
The "centralized" force main role is to limit the extremes in violence by localities, never to impose upon localities what only some places prefer.
Luciom, your dream state is a bedroom invention, perfected by shower musings and governed by daydreams where the imaginary opposition says all the wrong things, and you probably get to murder them half the time.
Basically, it is a perfect fit for social media, so I say go out there and start gathering supporters.
Did Nazi Germany allow local governments to make many important decisions?
no, Mussolini even removed "linguistic autonomy" from non Italian-speaking areas.
one of the thousands of reasons why those two regimes were actually leftist ones.
if you dislike the term leftist to define those things just change it with "statism", in general ideology that puts the state above the individual need as much centralized power as possible which is why anyone who wants less of that is inherently more pro freedom (in my parlance, right-wing).
Luciom, your dream state is a bedroom invention, perfected by shower musings and governed by daydreams where the imaginary opposition says all the wrong things, and you probably get to murder them half the time.
Basically, it is a perfect fit for social media, so I say go out there and start gathering supporters.
my dream state organization (in terms of amount of power the state has over individuals, % of GDP in fiscal revenue, amount of regulations, amount of intrusion of the state in the lives of citizens) is Australia or the USA late 19th century.
hardly what you describe. there are precedents.
tame, a very real life example.
the "Tower building", in NYC , was NYC first skyscraper ever (1889).
it took 17 months to build (11 stories high), first steel structure in the world.
later demolished very quickly when un profitable (lack of tenants) pre WW1.
my politics are whatever it takes to go AT LEAST back to that + our current technological progress, so my politics are whatever it takes to allow private builders to build a 50+ stories skyscraper in less than 2 years.
it is absurd how much what I call leftism (call it what you prefer: regulations, state interventionism, safetism, labor laws, environmentalism and so on) annihilated actual material progress availability.
my politics are whatever it takes to go back to AT LEAST the setup of 1890 in terms of what rules are applied to building (and everything else in the economy) AND to guarantee we will never go back to where we are now.
The very best people
"Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool," Elez said in one post from July according to the Wall Street Journal article.
"Normalize Indian hate," the account wrote, as well as "You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity."
Leon’s singular purpose is to sensationalize the red meat like Graham and Chelsea Clinton or whatever the **** else he’s posting on X formerly known as Twitter and try to use that as the evidence required to make idiots think all of this needs to be blown up
Is there government waste? Of course there is. Leon himself is famously and spectacularly a beneficiary of that. But delegitimizing the entire process by focusing on people that idiots like PB would say are deep state actors and government belongs to the people and we’re taking it over blah blah blah so they can blow it all up and further recarve the pie in their favor is beyond moronic
I can’t believe I need to say this, but the world’s richest man with a god complex is not in this for altruism and does not give two shits about the life and general existence of playsmall2000
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he and trump have a falling out and they go to war.
my dream state organization (in terms of amount of power the state has over individuals, % of GDP in fiscal revenue, amount of regulations, amount of intrusion of the state in the lives of citizens) is Australia or the USA late 19th century.
hardly what you describe. there are precedents.
So before cars and roads became commonplace, with fixed communities capable of exerting their values? You sound worse than the Brexiters who believed the faux nostalgic nonsense about turning back the clock to the 1950s.
As per link, purportedly by being a director at the International Republican Institute (with Cotton, Romney and others), which receives a lot of money from USAID. I might add that supposedly, once you get the cash you do the **** you want with no supervision, so you basically hire friends and family and so on (or at least that's my expectation for the totality of the beneficiaries of charity especially when they aren't private donors who check constantly how the money is used)
They look like they
I was told conservatives believe in meritocracy right down to the core of their being and now you're calling them a bunch of liars.
Then again we've had rightwingers on here, possibly even you but I can't recall who made this silly bs up, argue that as long as the first person has 'merit' the ~50 friends&family he brings along have merit by extension lol
So before cars and roads became commonplace, with fixed communities capable of exerting their values? You sound worse than the Brexiters who believed the faux nostalgic nonsense about turning back the clock to the 1950s.
State organization.
Technology is a different thing.
Same as someone can like how the venetian doges were elected, without that meaning they want to give up antibiotics.
Okay, if the government/country is so bad here, why haven't you expat to "literally anywhere else" and be happy?
I'm not the one you asked, but where do you think he could legally move?
I've said this many times, it is not at all easy to immigrate to other countries legally from the US. I looked into it extensively after Black Friday, and I'm pretty sure it hasn't changed for the better. Most other countries require you to have specific skills they're looking for, or a lot of money to invest there. I don't know of any country to which I could legally move.
As I've said in other threads, if this was Soros doing the "auditing" then the right wing morons would be attacking it continuously and with good reason.
Why should it matter who's doing the "auditing", it's the end result and findings that matters. What about what was found? That becomes a non issue now because "Elon shouldn't be doing an audit"?
Any gov't agency should expect an audit and even welcome it if they have nothing to hide. By protesting to stop it (like those idiot representatives were trying to do the other day), they obviously know they're about to be exposed at best and taken into federal custody at worst.
Everyone knows the government wastes money and everyone wants it audited but no one should be in agreement that DOGE is even remotely the correct way to do it.
I think it was one of the most brilliant things President Trump ever did, and they're not finding "over spending", they're finding crimes and corruption against the country they swore an oath to protect. The military get pissed off when people have no regard for that and violate it.
