LeBron > Jordan GOAT Super AIDS Containment, solved #22999 post by Matt R. (addendum #23174)

I can’t think of any other reason why a basketball player would catch a pass and score in a game of basketball. You’re right LeBron and Luka must be reading this thread. That’s the only explanation that makes sense.

If LeBron stunk at it he would not have done it 13 times in the 2016 NBA playoffs, gone 12-1 in those games, and beaten a team that had a 73-9 record to win the NBA title.

This proves that the Lakers lost to the Jazz the other day for reasons other than assisted fg%.

This is like saying you are mentally ill because you’re wearing a shirt. Yeah maybe you’re wearing a shirt but that’s not why you’re mentally ill.

Assisted fg% has no correlation to wins. Therefore we know it’s not the reason teams are good. Yeah maybe you have reverse engineered a threshold that LeBron doesn’t quite meet on average (even though he has exceeded it for a huge portion of the games he has played in, proving he can do it and does do it in the right scheme), but that is the definition of a “spurious correlation”. In fact, reverse engineering data like this and data dredging finds spurious correlations, by definition. This is all extremely basic knowledge about science and stats.

But you used the single Jazz game to say he could not win with a high assisted fg%. I just used a 13 game sample size where he won an NBA championship at the end. Are you saying 1 is a bigger sample size than 13? You constantly surprise me with your math abilities fallguy.

I mean, thank you for explicitly writing out the protocol you use to data dredge and reverse engineer the data to find an arbitrary threshold that LeBron James is just below (on average, but has exceeded in nearly half the games in his career), and is spuriously correlated to a handful of good teams in NBA history. At least you’ve laid it out here in detail so the entirety of the internet can see what a dumbass you are lmfao.

Can't be just Lebron and Luka right? What other NBA players or TV personalities do you think might be reading this thread?

Anyone that wants to know the future because I've been predicting it itt for 10 years

And now we get to see if Luka and/or Lebron can dominate as off-ball players like Bird, Curry and MJ - this will allow a dynasty fit with each other, so they can win with Jaxon Hayes at center...

I already know the answer to this - they can't - they're horrific off-ball players and only have a dumb ball-dominator losing skillset.. I've been saying this for 10 years and now we get to watch game-by-gane as they flounder and the media cries for more help or time...

Wemby is just like you guys - young, apparently naive, and hypnotized/defrauded by the media's lies, spin and fraud to prop up a perennial loser and choker like Lebron.

Btw, Lebron is the goat choker by virtue of 0-7 on game-winners in the Finals, horrific efficiency on game-winners and during clutch-time for his career, a historic meltdown in the 2010 ECSF, the goat choke in 2011, the most losses ever with preseason favorites (4) or Finals teams (6), and much more... And of course his first major choke was the absurd 7 TO's in the 4th & OT to lose the critical Game 4 of the 09' ECF - Lebron was one of the 10 biggest favorites (-700) to ever lose a playoff series and his opponent was an injured 1-star team.. He lost as the favorite twice to 1-star teams (Dwight, Dirk).

Again, regardless of whether Lebron, Reddick, or anyone in their orbit read the thread, it's clear that they made a concerted effort to have Luka and Lebron play off-ball for the whole game against Utah.... This is unprecedented (100% assisted rate) and it's quite an amazing statistical occurrence, since they both average around 30-40% and probably have never been at 100% in their career..

But the problem is that they were horrific at it - they stink off-ball.. They couldn't generate enough volume off-ball to keep up with the worst team in the West - that shows where they're at as off-ball players... They can't learn to be Bird, Curry or MJ in just a couple months, or a couple years.

Otoh, 40-year MJ would've blown away Utah with his off-ball play.. His chemistry with Rip was amazing (15-1 in games together before MJ's injury in February 2002).. MJ was also an expert at catching the ball after running off screens and then setting up Jahidi White and Popeye Jones inside and in super-tight traffic.. Lebron isn't capable of this - he needs to completely dominate the ball to consistently set someone up like that... It's a crappier, inferior, and more losing brand of ball.. He would also never tolerate a cast like Popeye Jones and Jahidi White - his weaker brand of ball needs more talent like Luka, AD or Wade, who compare to Magic, KG and Kobe.

They clearly tried to play off-ball for an entire game and failed drastically.. They were horrific just like I said and it's bball 101... You can't expect Shaq to shoot threes just like you can't expect ball-dominators like Luka and Lebron to play like Bird, MJ or Curry.. This is intuitive.

I showed a game where Lebron played off-ball the entire game with 100% assisted rate, and you showed a playoff run where Lebron was the primary ball-handler with 42% assisted rate and 27% in the Finals.

So you didn't provide a sample size of anything except Lebron being the primary ball-handler... I'm the only one that provided a sample of Lebron trying to have the "karl malone" assisted rate required for a dynasty fit with Luka (which would allow winning with less help like no center).

Lebron was the primary ball-handler for the Cavs in the 2016 playoffs, and the current Lakers had a better chance to beat Utah the other night if he played like that - this includes a 27% assisted rate in the Finals or 42% overall in those playoffs.. But instead, he tried to have 100% assisted rate like Karl Malone and play off-ball, so the Lakers were blown away by the worst team in the West..

And the Lakers had just beaten this team the previous game while Lebron was the primary ball-handler with 20% assisted rate, so the increase to 100% was the difference in going from blowout win to blowout loss

But team assists are strongly-correlated with the best basketball, such as champions, dominant champions and dynasties, so Lebron's skillset of lowering teammates' assists and having low assist teams makes it harder to win and impossible to produce the best basketball, such as dynasties and dominant champions (0 for 12).

Lebron's career assisted rate is 38%, so he's a primary ball-handler and therefore can't be 1st option for the best basketball, such as dynasties and dominant champions (0 for 12).

So on behalf of all Jordan fans, I'm sorry that the numbers didn't work out in your favor and your hero exposed as fraud.
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Which specific ones though? Do you ever watch TV (or read box scores too I guess) and think, wait, that guy must have read my stuff? Or was this the very first time you realized this?

Who is going to win each conference this year, and win the finals?

I will bet all 3 and also parlay them.

Denver and Boston, and I have to think about the Finals

Denver

The favourites and the second favourites who have a 3 time (and reigning) MVP. Bold.

That's one way to look at it.

Or we can reverse engineer it and see how they got to that favored "done it before" position in the first place.

It was by playing the way I have espoused (great word), aka without a ball-dominator as the 1st option or really at all, and with great jumpshooting and ball movement.

Here I'll post the dominant champions again on the next page and you'll see that the Nuggets and Celtics are on that exclusive list.

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8 of 8 "DOMINANT CHAMPIONS" THAT AVERAGED 1 LOSS PER ROUND OR LESS (4 LOSSES MAX) REQUIRED BIGS OR JUMPSHOOTERS AT 1ST OPTION FOR THAT PLAYOFF RUN:

1. 2017 Warriors (16-1).............. DURANT

2. 2001 Lakers (15-1).................. SHAQ

3. 1999 Spurs (15-2)................... DUNCAN

4. 2024 Celtics (16-3)................. TATUM

5. 2023 Nuggets (16-4).............. JOKIC

6. 2007 Spurs (16-4)................... DUNCAN

7. 2002 Lakers (15-4).................. SHAQ

8. 1997 Bulls (15-4)..................... JORDAN

4 0f 4 "DYNASTIES" THAT MOSTLY WON FOR A MATERIAL STRETCH OF 5+ YEARS (I.E. 3 IN 5) REQUIRED BIGS OR JUMPSHOOTERS AT 1ST OPTION:

1. CHICAGO BULLS..................... JORDAN

2. LOS ANGELES LAKERS)........... SHAQ

3. SAN ANTONIO SPURS............ DUNCAN

4. GSW WARRIORS...................... CURRY

^^^ 12 of 12 instances of dynasties or dominant champions (the best basketball) required bigs or jumpshooters at 1st option.

Thread Cliffs

If a player's career assisted rate on field goals is below 40%, then they're a primary ball-handler that scores mostly unassisted by teammates, aka ball-dominator... But the problem lies with high-scoring ball-dominators like Lebron, since they have a high volume of unassisted buckets that hurts the team assist ranking over time and increasingly places teammates in spot-up roles with higher assisted rates (1)... The increased spot-up roles for teammates are a direct funnel to Lebron's assists, while reducing his teammates' assists, thus causing low-assist teams compared to the typical champion (2, 3).. Low assist teams are the Achilles heel of high-scoring ball-dominators because every series loss of Lebron's playoff career shows deficits in team assists, except the goat choke in the 11' Finals.

Furthermore, by turning everyone into spot-up shooter, ball-dominators prevent elite roster construction, so they can't be the leading scorer for dynasties or dominant champions, as shown in the previous post above (0 for 12)... Since ball-dominators can't produce the best basketball, they're inferior to the best of other skillsets that can, such as bigs or jumpshooters (12 for 12).. This puts Lebron and all ball-dominators outside the top 10 all-time (behind the best bigs and jumpshooters)... With ball-dominators outside the top 10, the actual top 10 is a subjective mix of bigs and jumpshooters, such as MJ, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Curry, Jokic, Magic, Lebron, Oscar.. This is actually a top 13 with ball-dominators bringing up the rear.

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BY IMPOSING SPOT-UP ROLES, LEBRON LOWERED ALL HIS TEAMMATES' ASSISTS

ASSISTS PER GAME AS A STARTER WITH AND WITHOUT LEBRON:

12-14' Kyrie............... 5.8
15-17' Kyrie............... 5.3 (with Lebron)
18-24' Kyrie............... 5.8

04-10' Bosh............... 2.2
11-14' Bosh............... 1.6 (with Lebron)
15-16' Bosh............... 2.3

11-14' Love................ 3.0
15-18' Love................ 2.1 (with Lebron)
19-21' Love................ 2.8

05-08' Mo................... 5.7
09-10' Mo................... 4.6 (with Lebron)
11-13' Mo................... 5.3

09-10' Chalmers........ 4.2
11-14' Chalmers........ 3.6 (with Lebron)

99-04' Snow................ 6.9
06-07' Snow................ 4.1 (with Lebron)

01-05' Hughes........... 3.8
06-08' Hughes........... 3.3 (with Lebron)

2018 Ingram.............. 3.9
2019 Ingram.............. 3.0 (with Lebron)
20-25' Ingram............ 5.2

2019 Kuzma............... 2.5 (with Lebron)
22-25' Kuzma............. 3.8

2018 Ball..................... 7.2
2019 Ball..................... 5.4 (with Lebron)
20-22' Ball................... 6.1

00-09' Jamison........... 1.8
2010 Jamison............. 1.3 (with Lebron)
11-12' Jamison........... 1.9

04-10' Wade............... 6.6
11-14' Wade............... 4.7 (with Lebron)

19-22' D-Lo................. 6.7
23-25' D-Lo................. 6.2 (with Lebron)

09-21' Westbrook....... 8.5
2022 Westbrook..........7.1 (with Lebron)

15-18'' KCP.................. 2.0
19-21' KCP................... 1.6 (with Lebron)
22-25' KCP................... 2.2

Thread Cliffs

If a player's career assisted rate on field goals is below 40%, then they're a primary ball-handler that scores mostly unassisted by teammates, aka ball-dominator... But the problem lies with high-scoring ball-dominators like Lebron, since they have a high volume of unassisted buckets that hurts the team assist ranking over time and increasingly places teammates in spot-up roles with higher assisted rates (1)... The increased spot-up roles for teammates are a direct funnel to Lebron's assists, while reducing his teammates' assists, thus causing low-assist teams compared to the typical champion (2, 3).. Low assist teams are the Achilles heel of high-scoring ball-dominators because every series loss of Lebron's playoff career shows deficits in team assists, except the goat choke in the 11' Finals.

Furthermore, by turning everyone into spot-up shooter, ball-dominators prevent elite roster construction, so they can't be the leading scorer for dynasties or dominant champions, and are 0 for 12 in doing so (4).. Since ball-dominators can't produce the best basketball, they're inferior to the best of other skillsets that can, such as bigs or jumpshooters (12 for 12).. This puts Lebron and all ball-dominators outside the top 10 all-time (behind the best bigs and jumpshooters)... With ball-dominators outside the top 10, the actual top 10 is a subjective mix of bigs and jumpshooters, such as MJ, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Curry, Jokic, Magic, Lebron, Oscar.. This is actually a top 13 with ball-dominators bringing up the rear.

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When I was in highschool working for a supermarket late shift..

I jerked off in the freezer.

The reason that the correlation between ball movement and champions matters is because we know that ball movement wins the attrition battle by wearing down defenses, so they have less capacity for offense.. Meanwhile, ball-dominance lets a defense rest, so they have more capacity to "get hot" offensively... The story of Lebron's career is opponents getting hot because they're fresh and haven't been worn down by a good brand of ball... Meanwhile, Lebron's team is slipping and sliding around the court trying to defend the Spurs, Nuggets and Warriors' ball movement, so they can't hit the broadside of a barn on offense and complain about "more help" (even though it's really just a change in brand of ball that's needed)... Essentially, ball movement is associated with titles by adhering to a tenet of all competition - i.e. the best defense is a good offense.. Teams must apply more pressure than they're facing, and ball movement is the way to achieve this, not 1 guy monopolizing the action... Furthermore, part of the reason Lebron's teams haven't always ranked well defensively is because their defensive requirements are the highest, such as facing fresh opponents that haven't been worn down by a good brand of ball.. So ball-dominance prevents the highest ceilings of performance in many areas.

There was a Maxim magazine with Jessica Alba on the cover.

Literally that’s all it used to take

Lebron not playing all start game for discomfort ankle …?
No surprise.

"No surprise"

He literally played in the all-star game for 20 straight years before this one.

So ?
I’m just stating fact .
Players today missed tons of games for w.e reasons .

But fwiw , it might actually help the allstar games if those old heads would let the field for the younger ones who actually would like to perform for real in it .

Montrealcorp,
Do you believe LeBron James is outside the top 10 all time player ranking because his career assisted fg% is slightly below 40% (I believe it’s hovering around 39%)? Honestly just curious.