Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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The Republicans haven't had their way yet so even though USA is a white majority country, there's nothing written in the law at the moment that gives whites some special status as far as becoming citizens. Israel is not the only country with special laws based on ethnicity though. I find 17 countries that have something like it, though of those probably only Israel/Jews and A
Yeah because Jews have been historically persecuted and the victims of genocide. All about the context innit?
Yeah because Jews have been historically persecuted and the victims of genocide. All about the context innit?
I was responding to your post asserting that Israel was in no way an ethnostate and now you're saying yeah, they are an ethnostate and that's fine. I'm not really criticizing either position, I'm just posting some reason and facts and you can't even follow your own argument.
I was responding to your post asserting that Israel was in no way an ethnostate and now you're saying yeah, they are an ethnostate and that's fine. I'm not really criticizing either position, I'm just posting some reason and facts and you can't even follow your own argument.
I didn't assert any such thing, Luciom did. My point was that ethnostate seems to be used as a slur against Israel, the world's one Jewish state.
Israel isn’t an ethnostate.
Arguing that point is moronic.
I think you would be quite disappointed on where they stand on political issues
Jews are regarded as an ethnicity. Not sure why their one state is dismissed or spoken of negatively as an ethnostate. Any white or black or Hispanic majority country could be regarded as an ethnostate by the same rationale, yet only Israel gets the ethnostate treatment because reasons.
No no no no. This is you saying Israel is not an ethnostate. You are saying either they aren't or the term is meaningless. You, not Lucium, saying that. And now you're saying something different.
No no no no. This is you saying Israel is not an ethnostate. You are saying either they aren't or the term is meaningless. You, not Lucium, saying that. And now you're saying something different.
The term is used as a slur against Israel. I don't regard it as an ethnostate due to the right to return, due to the context.
No no no no. This is you saying Israel is not an ethnostate. You are saying either they aren't or the term is meaningless. You, not Lucium, saying that. And now you're saying something different.
Israel is an ethnistate under normal (bad, wrong) definitions, such as using American race labels.
but if it is, then south Korea , ireland, Spain and mamy others are as well so no argument can exist denying Israel right to be an ethnostate unless it is used against all others as well with the same intensity and disgust and criticism
Teenagers who violently attack Israelis are not “kids” imo. When a 16 year old stabs someone, they aren’t a hostage. They’re a criminal.
The rest is simply made up propaganda.
You do realize you’re making up propaganda. A child is defined by age in legal terms. Often we break that legal protection when the child does something society really doesn’t like. They are still children. They can be hostages and criminals. Commiting a crime doesn’t mean you are now supposed to go to some occupiers jail
Israel won’t let black/African Jews in while they let non religious but ethnically Jewish people
You’re just wrong. Feel free to argue against
You do realize you’re making up propaganda. A child is defined by age in legal terms. Often we break that legal protection when the child does something society really doesn’t like. They are still children. They can be hostages and criminals. Commiting a crime doesn’t mean you are now supposed to go to some occupiers jail Israel won’t let black/African Jews in while they let no
A 16 year old stabbing people didn’t “do something society doesn’t like.” They’re a violent criminal. Sure as hell aren’t a hostage.
I’m wrong?? How many non Jews are citizens in Israel?? That’s all I really need answered.
You do realize you’re making up propaganda. A child is defined by age in legal terms. Often we break that legal protection when the child does something society really doesn’t like. They are still children. They can be hostages and criminals. Commiting a crime doesn’t mean you are now supposed to go to some occupiers jail Israel won’t let black/African J
There's discrimination of course, but not only did Israel allow Black/African Jews they went to Ethiopia and Sudan in the middle of a war and picked up 22 thousand of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_...
no doubt they were less successful than you would've liked
What is now the Arab world used to be one of the most diverse places in the world. Now it is mostly Arab Muslim religious ethnostates. Israel is by far the most diverse country in the Middle East, including millions of Arabs living peacefully within.Remember, in Bill Haywood's world the little purple dot is the oppressors and colonizers, and the giant green area is the victim
I had never heard this, but just saw it when I went to get the link for Operation Solomon etc.
Israel paid Morocco per person for 97000 Jewish emigrees in 1961.
A 16 year old stabbing people didn’t “do something society doesn’t like.” They’re a violent criminal. Sure as hell aren’t a hostage.
I’m wrong?? How many non Jews are citizens in Israel?? That’s all I really need answered.
Almost none of them have done anything wrong let alone stab anyone
Damn these Hamas supporters on campuses are injuring more folks than the Jan 6 th protesters.
Pretty sad
I don't want to give the impression that things were ok for Jews in ME countries at the time, but it is not true that Jews were universally expelled. Iraq initially forbade Jews from leaving (much like the USSR did until the 80s), Israel helped thousands of Jews leave and then when Iraq allowed emigration Israel did airlifts of 130000 Iraqi Jews from 1951-1952.
Kelhus may well have not known this. I didn't.
For the most part Jews wanted to leave other ME countries after Israel formed (Iran being the biggest exception) and Israel definitely wanted the Jewish immigration.
And I think that's all fine, and even noble, as long as the rights of other people aren't trampled.
I don't want to give the impression that things were ok for Jews in ME countries at the time, but it is not true that Jews were universally expelled. Iraq initially forbade Jews from leaving (much like the USSR did until the 80s), Israel helped thousands of Jews leave and then when Iraq allowed emigration Israel did airlifts of 130000 Iraqi Jews from 1951-1952.Kelhus may well
It's a fascinating read.
"There are competing accounts of exactly what Mohammed V did or did not do for the Moroccan Jewish community" during the Holocaust.[8] However, "though a subject of debate, most scholars stress the benevolence of Mohammed V toward the Jews" during the Vichy era.[9] Mohammed reportedly refused to sign off on efforts by Vichy officials to impose anti-Jewish legislation upon Morocco and deport the country's 250,000 Jews to their deaths in Nazi concentration camps and extermination camps in Europe.[10] The sultan's stand was "based as much on the insult the Vichy diktats posed to his claim of sovereignty over all his subjects, including the Jews, as on his humanitarian instincts."[10] Partial Nazi race measures were enacted in Morocco over Mohammed's objection,[10] and Mohammed did sign, under the instructions of Vichy officials, two decrees that barred Jews from certain schools and positions.[11]
Nevertheless, Mohammed is highly esteemed by Moroccan Jews who credit him for protecting their community from the Nazi and Vichy French government,[8] and Mohammed V has been honored by Jewish organizations for his role in protecting his Jewish subjects during the Holocaust.[12] Some historians maintain that Mohammed's anti-Nazi role has been exaggerated; historian Michel Abitol writes that while Mohammed V was compelled by Vichy officials to sign the anti-Jewish dahirs, "he was more passive than Moncef Bay (ruler of Tunisia during the Second World War) in that he did not take any side and did not engage in any public act that could be interpreted as a rejection of Vichy's policy."[11]
As always, great work mods, letting a racist propagandist spread dogshit lies during the ongoing conflict in Palestine was a good call.
Look at these “kids” not doing anything
wrong viKKK.
As always, great work mods, letting a racist propagandist spread dogshit lies during the ongoing conflict in Palestine was a good call.
Hardly anyone really reads anyone else's posts so it doesn't matter much one way or another, but for anyone actually reading it's been educational which is something that can happen because of free speech.
I don't want to give the impression that things were ok for Jews in ME countries at the time, but it is not true that Jews were universally expelled. Iraq initially forbade Jews from leaving (much like the USSR did until the 80s), Israel helped thousands of Jews leave and then when Iraq allowed emigration Israel did airlifts of 130000 Iraqi Jews from 1951-1952.Kelhus may well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...
--You should probably take 5 minutes to read just how bad the persecution of Jews was in modern Iraq was, despite the fact the Iraqi Jewish population initially was quite content where it was and showed little interest in the Zionist project until the relentless persecution made staying unfeasible. It is a pretty brutal history. There is absolutely nothing fine or noble about it.
I dont necessarily blame Westerners for being naive of just how much Arabs persecuted Mizrachi Jews in the last 150 years or so (still ongoing). Like I have said before, it has been official US policy to whitewash this reality, as for realpolitik reasons admitting just how horrible and racist some of our "allies" are would interfere with the Pax American project; especially during the Cold War when their was fierce competition with the USSR for influence in this part of the world.
However, for those of you that aren't morally bankrupt racists like Victor and Bill Haywood, I implore you to spend 5 minutes, read the section on modern Iraq, understand this kind of treatment is the norm more than the exception in the Arab world; and try to appreciate there is a lot more to this story than some simplistic "white colonizer oppressing brown native" narrative.
Hardly anyone really reads anyone else's posts so it doesn't matter much one way or another, but for anyone actually reading it's been educational which is something that can happen because of free speech.
I'm learning a lot about French antisemtisim all across colonial North Africa, but perhaps there's a way to do that without platforming bigots.
French antisemitism set down strong roots among the expatriate French community in Algeria, where every municipal council was controlled by anti-Semites, and newspapers were rife with xenophobic attacks on the local Jewish communities.[16] Much of this was encouraged by the French colonial administration, in particular by the militant antisemitic Max Régis. In Algiers when Émile Zola was brought to trial for his defense in an 1898 open letter, J'Accuse…!, of Alfred Dreyfus, sympathy for whom was widespread in the Arabic press,[17] over 158 Jewish owned shops were looted and burned and two Jews were killed, while the army stood by and refused to intervene (see 1898 Algerian riots).[18] Hannah Arendt was to comment later that,'that pogroms against Jews in Algeria were carried out not, as it was claimed, by “‘backward Arabs’” but by “thoroughly sophisticated officers of the French colonial administration” and by the mayor of Algiers, Max Régis.'[19]
