Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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do you ever get tired of siding with the people that want to see the middle east burn because they hate Jews? (referring to Hezbollah) I guess you don’t have to live with the consequences of them trashing their own state out of spite and hatred.edit: to be clear because I know someone is going to misinterpret, I’m not saying anti-Zionism is anti-Judaism, I’m saying that anti-Is
His posts itt are almost entirely fiction, oftentimes reading like a fanfic story.
It would make more sense if there was a political process in the picture.
As it is there is no de-escalation to attempt to reach. That just leaves escalate to 'once and for all'
Currentyl it's like wielding a stick to get carrot eating when there are no carrots. Maybe someone should grow some?
The article goes into it. It's outrageous, but it's how that area of the world works. No one wants war, but everyone wants to know just how much their enemies don't want war. If one side reacts too weakly it leads to escalation; if they react too strongly it leads to war. The place is a mess.
Here are some more comments from Hezbollah’s deputy leader Naim Qassem.
“We admit that we are pained. We are humans. But as we are pained — you will also be pained,” Kassem said at the funeral of top Hezbollah commander Ibrahim Akil, who reportedly led the Radwan Force, a special forces unit tasked with cross-border attacks on Israel.
He said a barrage of rockets fired by the group deep into Israel early on Sunday was only the beginning, vowing to destroy Israel’s economy.
Hezbollah’s deputy secretary-general Naim Qassem has said that the Lebanese militant group had entered a new phase of its conflict with Israel which he described as an “open-ended battle of reckoning”.
“Threats will not stop us... We are ready to face all military possibilities,” he added.
The comments were made earlier today during a funeral for a top commander killed in an Israeli strike on Beirut’s southern suburbs on Friday.
Hezbollah started immediately launching rockets into Israel following Oct 7th so I’m not sure what kind of political solution people think is possible. Working towards a political solution with the Israelis is a sign of weakness for Hezbollah and right now they are desperately trying to project strength in any way they can.
The phrase "human shield" has been stretched beyond recognition.
It means soldiers forcing civilians to walk ahead of them. Israel has twisted it to cover all civilian casualties.
they are still launching hundreds of rockets and just yesterday targeted an air force base. but they dont want all out war and so long as Nazrallah and the old guys are in charge they wont bite. they think that a long term war of attrition where they just continue to exist and harass Israeli is the best path to decolonialization. they dont give a **** about what Western pundi
Decolonization. Enough said. 🙂
The phrase "human shield" has been stretched beyond recognition.
It means soldiers forcing civilians to walk ahead of them. Israel has twisted it to cover all civilian casualties.
Ok so what would YOU call it when Hamas sets up military operations inside active hospitals, schools, and civilian homes? If not human shield come up with another term for this evilness.
The article goes into it. It's outrageous, but it's how that area of the world works. No one wants war, but everyone wants to know just how much their enemies don't want war.
There's nothing magical about that part of the world that somehow works differently from the rest of the world. "Peace through escalation" sounds outrageous because it is outrageous.
There's nothing magical about that part of the world that somehow works differently from the rest of the world. "Peace through escalation" sounds outrageous because it is outrageous.
You escalate, one side gets destroyed, you get durable peace afterwards.
Many such cases, in many parts of the world.
There's nothing magical about that part of the world that somehow works differently from the rest of the world. "Peace through escalation" sounds outrageous because it is outrageous.
Radical Islamists make that part of the world work differently. Certainly nothing magical about it.
You escalate, one side gets destroyed, you get durable peace afterwards.
Many such cases, in many parts of the world.
like when White Empire escalated in Vietnam, Algeria, India, many such cases.
The White Empire of Israel actually has a nice ring to it.
not sure what the "white empire" is but the USA got destroyed by all practical purposes in Vietnam, and that in fact ended hostilities.
a much better outcome than many decades of lower level conflict right? at least Vietnam had a chance to rebuild and live in peace.
I didn't write it claiming that the side escalating is necessarily going to win.
the Algerian independence war was an all in conflict with full escalation, the only way to reach a conclusion.
independentists won that and only managed because they went completely all in escalating to the maximum possible extent they could.
India didn't have the same conflict as the British accepted to leave.
not sure what your point is, there are some cases where one of the two sides gives up on it's claims, in all others it's only with escalation up to total war that you end a conflict
in all of those conflicts the Western Imperialist powers massively increased escalation causing untold misery and death and they still lost. they still were not able to subdue to people despite in some cases murdering millions.
Killing a combatant in a war is not murder, fyi.
sometimes it is. regardless, these were not combatants. like, have you ever read anything about any of those struggles?
I can't help you with the details of those conflicts. If you think the the actions of those countries towards the civilian populations was acceptable then I won't really argue with you bc there is no point and infact I will commend your consistency.
I can't help you with the details of those conflicts. If you think the the actions of those countries towards the civilian populations was acceptable then I won't really argue with you bc there is no point and infact I will commend your consistency.
Yeah I think the actions of the North Vietnamese of capturing, torturing, and executing civilians that they thought were traitors was pretty bad, I agree. I also think their use of IEDs in civilian populations and using civilian centers as booby traps was pretty bad. Did the US do some bad stuff too during that war? Absolutely. The point is that your side only seems interested in calling out the US so your moralizing can sometimes come off as insincere, to put it mildly.
Of course. That's the government we are responsible for.
