Israel/Palestine thread

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Why Hezbollah won’t fire its most advanced missiles at Israel – yet

Hassan Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader, had repeatedly warned Israel that any airstrikes on its strongholds in southern Beirut would be met with a salvo of rocket strikes on Tel Aviv.

In the past two months, Israel has twice bombed the Lebanese capital, killing some of Nasrallah’s most experienced battlefield commanders. Last week, thousands of Hezbollah’s rank-and-file were incapacitated in synchronised attacks on the group’s pagers and walkie-talkie radios.

Hezbollah’s response has not quite been to bend over and ask for more.


This weekend, it unleashed its most ferocious cross-border rocket salvo since it began firing into northern Israel in solidarity with Hamas last October.

The barrage followed with a declaration that Hezbollah is now in an “open-ended battle of reckoning” with Israel.

But the group has deliberately not targeted Israeli population centres, nor has it deployed its most sophisticated weaponry. It has spoken menacingly but vaguely about retaliation at an unspecified time in the future.

Mr Kassir said Hezbollah would far rather engage Israel in a longer low-level conflict that weakens its resolve rather than blow its full firepower in a single confrontation it probably cannot win.

“Weakening Israel through an attritional, drawn out confrontation is, in my opinion, the strategy Hezbollah prefers,” he said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why...

killed a ton of civilians on the same day all the garbage Hasbara accounts put out a bunch of cartoons showing rockets inside houses.

So if Israel attacks without warning, that's proof they want to kill civilians.

If they warn before attacking, that's illegal anyway lol.

Don't those guys get tired of framing all actions by Israel like that? Read too much Kafka?

We get that a portion of people consider all attempts by Israel to defend itself criminal actions. We understand that's the position.

Why waste time insisting on that though

Id say when Israel uses the most advanced and precise weaponry in history to target and kill civilians that they indeed want to kill civilians.

Israel is not "defending itself", they are slaughtering civilians.

I mean if you think people with hezbollah pagers are civilians yes, then Israel is targeting civilians.

If you instead accept that anyone who is part of , or materially supports, Hezbollah is a fair target, as is everyone in the vicinity of an Hezbollah installation, then no they aren't targeting civilians.

Especially because they are telling them to go away

pretty broad spectrum there bub. wonder if you consistently apply it to countries like, I dunno...say...Israel? bc that would be quite a controversial take on the IDF ravers that were executed. actually, I dont wonder.

I actually dont believe this guy. pretty sure they actually said this...

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nearly 200 dead so far according to Lebanese Health Ministry

Good analysis of the situation imo:

The situation is not good for any innocent Lebanese caught in the crossfire, but consequences of recent events are almost entirely due to Iran and Hezbollah’s actions. Lebanon and Hezbollah had to know it was just a matter of time until Israel addressed their non-stop attacks. Feigning ignorance only works with their most deluded followers. We’re watching another instance of Muslim leaders destroying the very people they are tasked with protecting.

Ask yourself why organizations like the IRGC and Hezbollah are so easily compromised by foreign agents. It’s because tons of their own people are tired of a society which is hellbent on regressing to the dark ages.

In fairness most of these leaders are very upfront that they are perfectly fine with their people dying as Shahid fighting Israel, so they can go to paradise and be rewarded with 72 virgins. It is not like they are promising to bring peace and prosperity for their followers. Pretty much the opposite.

They promise death, destruction and nihilism (where the faithful will be rewarded in the afterlife), and that is what they deliver.

For sure. But there’s an underlying pretense that eventually, after enough martyr sacrifices, Allah will lead them to victory. Clearly, enough Lebanese and Iranians find this ridiculous to the point that they are willing to work with Israel as informants and double agents.

no, the pretense is that it is better to fight back rather than be slowly suffocated and then finished off.

anyway, Im old enough to remember when most of the pro-Israel folks argued vociferously that they were not trying to steal any land. now the government is openly saying they will steal the North of Gaza and much of Lebanon.

as part of White Empire, many Westerners feel it is their right to take whatever they desire and that the inhabitants have no right to possess anything or even exist. this was the precedent from exterminating the indigenous Americans and enslaving the Africans. and it is clearly being repeated right now.

I doubt that the Iranians and Lebanese who are risking their lives to help Israel agree with you but idk for sure.

If we want to look at what Muslim leaders say and apply some basic thought, they explicitly state their intentions to destroy their own people. This is very clear unless you’re deeply confused about what a “war of attrition” against militarily superior foes entails.

Yeah the not so funny part is that anyone who thinks Hamas attacking a music festival is fair game must actually think genocide is A-OK.

Regardless, the entire conversation is so devoid of logic it’s not worth entertaining. These people must be cheering for NK to nuke Seoul because SK has mandatory military service.

The Lebanese people are Hamas conscripts? I think you guys have lost track of which country we're bombing.

If a person has two or more different reasons to do something, it means that if one of those reasons was fallacious and the person realized it, he might no longer think he should do that thing.

Since all major religions are obviously fallacious yet are often at least part of the reason people justify killing each other, you would hope that more effort would be put into meticulous explanations as to why a person's specific religious beliefs are far less than 50% to be true.

I think you don’t even track the conversation because Victor is insinuating yet again that Oct 7 was a military attack on military targets because every Israeli citizen is a valid target to Victor.

To be clear I don’t think civilians are legitimate targets, but that’s different from saying that every single attack has to have zero civilians killed.

I never claim there was no attempt to take land (taking land in combat against an aggressor isn't stealing though).

After you attack you deserve to lose everything and end up much worse than you began with, in general.

Land is needed to protect Israel from future analogous attacks and so land will be rightfully taken, because after Hamas and Hezbollah attack everything they ever had is up for grabbing by Israel to compensate for the damage of the unprovoked attack and to prevent future attacks.

Gaza will need to stay militarily occupied for real this time for a very long time.

Lebanon still TBD, a lot of things can happen there

Btw victor Lebanon wasn't suffocated in any way.

You don't even change the claims when justifying actions by Hamas and Hezbollah , why?