Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Did I? (I'm really old and may have forgotten something I just did)
I thought I just posted in some other thread because this thread was closed. Sounds more like you opened it as my containment thread than responding to my complaint!
Oxfam is one of the many corrupt NGOs that are part of the problem, not the solution.
I view threads that I'm subscribed to or something like that. I may be stuck in that election thread.
I don't think that's true. People cite stuff like "the staff is full of Palestinians" as a sign of corruption, but it's really just an organization hiring people who live there just like every other organization on Earth. If you reconsider this, you will learn and grow. You'll do just fine my friend.
(I think I got true, helpful, inspiring, and kind, but I can't figure out how to get necessary)
I don't think that's true. People cite stuff like "the staff is full of Palestinians" as a sign of corruption, but it's really just an organization hiring people who live there just like every other organization on Earth. If you reconsider this, you will learn and grow. You'll do just fine my friend.(I think I got true, helpful, inspiring, and kind, but I can't figure out ho
The issue isn't that they hire Palestinians. The issue is they support the Palestinian resistance, are not above collaborating with bad actors and lying to pursue their political objectives, and ultimately are a huge impediment toward any potential peace.
The bottom line is that as long as the UN and NGOs like Oxfam are letting Hamas turn Gaza into a war zone under their watch, following a "hear no evil, see no evil" approach toward numerous illicit activities, and continually making wild, unsubstantiated accusations of Israel; there is little reason for optimism moving forward.
Their activism and political biases are a giant impediment toward peace IMO.
The issue isn't that they hire Palestinians. The issue is they support the Palestinian resistance, are not above collaborating with bad actors and lying to pursue their political objectives, and ultimately are a huge impediment toward any potential peace. The bottom line is that as long as the UN and NGOs like Oxfam are letting Hamas turn Gaza into a war zone under their watc
You might think that's true and if it were true it might be helpful, but how is it inspiring, necessary or kind?
You might think that's true and if it were true it might be helpful, but how is it inspiring, necessary or kind?
I think it would be very kind towards Palestinians if the UN and NGOs stopped acting as activists propping up groups like Hamas, and started working towards actual peace. But that is just me.
Do you think the current paradigm of "hear no evil, see no evil" in regards to Islamist militant groups and hyper-criticism of Israel is accomplishing any good. From a results oriented basis, I wold say the answer to this to be no.
When your cities start looking like that, it's a sign its time to stop trying to kill Jews.
Do you think what they are alleging is actually true. That 4 municipal workers had coordinated with Israeli authorities to do municipal work, and Israel decided to bomb them? I think there is pretty much zero chance this is what happened.
Do you think what they are alleging is actually true. That 4 municipal workers had coordinated with Israeli authorities to do municipal work, and Israel decided to bomb them? I think there is pretty much zero chance this is what happened.
Literally yes I think this is likely. I think Israel didn't necessarily decide to bomb them in particular, but since Israel is literally deciding to bomb most places in Gaza, when you say "and Israel decided to bomb them" it is probably true. I think you follow that right? Like if you had said "*thus* Israel decided to bomb them" it might not be true.
Literally yes I think this is likely. I think Israel didn't necessarily decide to bomb them in particular, but since Israel is literally deciding to bomb most places in Gaza, when you say "and Israel decided to bomb them" it is probably true. I think you follow that right? Like if you had said "*thus* Israel decided to bomb them" it might not be true.
I suspect that if/when what actually happened comes to light, there will be a giant gulf between what is being alleged and what actually happened.
On the one hand these are absolutely insane requests, on the other hand 15 years and Lebanon has failed to secure its own airspace.
Lebanon itself and the UN have indicated they dont have the ability and or willingness to stop foreign backed militias from forming states within a state for the purpose of attacking Israel, with promises to destroy Israel.
So if Israel decides this reality is unacceptable (which any nation reasonable would), what other solution is there?
I suspect that if/when what actually happened comes to light, there will be a giant gulf between what is being alleged and what actually happened.
I hadn't heard about it and don't really care to look into it. You're talking about 4 people right? People dwelling on things like that seems like Trump campaigning on whether or not Kamala really had a job at McDonalds. It's a little picture. 100000 people have been killed. Most of the housing in all of Gaza has been destroyed.
Maybe these people made a mistake? Maybe they have used some motivated reasoning? Or maybe they're right? Whatever.
So if Israel decides this reality is unacceptable (which any nation reasonable would), what other solution is there?
Now, I never said it's to do nothing. And while I don't think you've literally said it's to kill every man woman and child in Gaza and Lebanon, it looks a lot more like the second thing than the first. If you had a limit of what you would accept, it would have been reached already.
Look around at the people who have participated in this thread. You have lost a lot of the people, conservatives, who would naturally have supported Israel. It's been a bridge too far for anyone who had any limits whatsoever.
Now, I never said it's to do nothing. And while I don't think you've literally said it's to kill every man woman and child in Gaza and Lebanon, it looks a lot more like the second thing than the first. If you had a limit of what you would accept, it would have been reached already.Look around at the people who have participated in this thread. You have lost a lot of the peop
Israel is demanding that Hezbollah demilitarize and retreat behind the Litani River as they agreed to in 2006. That is really a bridge too far that all of this is worth it?
Is Israel really the ones acting completely unreasonably here? From where I am sitting, it sure seems like all the IRI aligned proxies attacking Israel are the ones being unreasonable. They could always just stop attacking Israel and it would be over. You dont see Israel bombing Jordan, Egypt or UAE, do you? You also dont see Israel trying to exert any influence over these nations.
Do you think it is a giant coincidence the people who have declared a Jihad to destroy Israel and are constantly attacking them are the ones getting bombed right now? I don't. I think there is a pretty clear cause and effect and a pretty simple way to stop getting bombed. Stop attacking Israel.
Most of the people being killed are innocent and even if you didn't think that, it being smart for the people who are attacking Israel to stop does not necessarily mean that it's not also smart for Israel to stop.
Well, last time I checked banks aren't open at night, and this is on top of repeated warnings to stay away. Israel does try to minimize civilian casualties with its planned strikes, and does call off strikes if it determines there will be too much collateral damage. But it does seem to have a threshold for acceptable levels of collateral damage that varies depending on the im
I haven't read of any casualties so I'm happy to take it back. I dont like to jump to conclusions so wish I had waited but you can, I hope, understand why:
Thirteen people including a child have been killed in an Israeli air strike near the main government hospital in southern Beirut, the Lebanese health ministry says.
The strike appeared to hit the car park of the Rafik Hariri University Hospital, a hospital source told Reuters news agency.
The health ministry said 57 people had been injured, seven of whom were in a critical condition.
It was among 13 air strikes that hit south Beirut on Monday evening. The Israeli military said it was attacking facilities linked to Hezbollah.
An Israeli spokesman had earlier warned people to move away from several locations in southern Beirut, however Rafik Hariri hospital was not among the locations mentioned.
that is a different hospital than they one they threatened earlier with the rediculous computer generated fantasy art.
Wapo did an article on this attack. some here had expressed disbelief that a double tap had occurred or that any civilians had been harmed.
The Generals' Plan.
“Remove the entire civilian population from the north, and whoever remains there will be lawfully sentenced as a terrorist and subjected to a process of starvation or extermination.”
With the emphasis on remove the entire civilian population. Not saying I agree with this but I also can't take seriously articles which speak of Israel's "genocidal campaign" either,.
