Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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you clearly don't understand the system in Lebanon.
before i educate you, at list post the entire results, as posting only 1/6 of the votes casted, makes you seem dishonest
The last sentence explains why this diatribe is worthless, "The world needs a safe and secure Israel alongside a viable and sovereign Palestinian state." Really? How?Nowhere in this pandering, clueless missive is Iran mentioned. Or Hezbollah. Or HAMAS! What dolts. There is no mention, let alone requirement, of Iran, Hezbollah, or Hamas to lay down their arms and commit to peace
It ws posted as an illustration of how appalled coutnries are at what netanhyahu is doing. So appalled that even the UK is making such extraordinary statements etc
That is the path netanyahu is taking israel down. You may approve but it's the reality
ok, again i'll do it for you:
after the civil war, an agreement was reached to brake the parliament, that the religious communities distribute reserved seats in the different constituencies according to their demographic weight. you vote in accordance to your alliance.
Hezbollah received 40% of the votes (out of 700,000 voters), in a bracket that is literary named Hezbollah and allies.
over all, 1,950,000 people voted in the 2022 election. Hezbollah has only 15 seats out of 128.
you posted a short screenshot of the entire election results, and did not post any results of the other brackets.
that is in fact fake media tactics.
my claim was that most Lebanese oppose Hezbollah. you posted a screen shot that implies that Hezbollah got 40% of the votes in the election.
you actually claimed it in your post.
but fact is that Hezbollah received 1/6 of the votes in the election, and not even the majority vote in their own bracket.
that is a proof that they do not receive support in Lebanon
my claim was that most Lebanese oppose Hezbollah. you posted a screen shot that implies that Hezbollah got 40% of the votes in the election.
you actually claimed it in your post.
but fact is that Hezbollah received 1/6 of the votes in the election, and not even the majority vote in their own bracket.
that is a proof that they do not receive support in Lebanon
no your claim was this
i stand by this claim.
most Christians, most Druze, most Sunni Muslims and even almost half of the Shiite Muslims
ok, again i'll do it for you:after the civil war, an agreement was reached to brake the parliament, that the religious communities distribute reserved seats in the different constituencies according to their demographic weight. you vote in accordance to your alliance. Hezbollah received 40% of the votes (out of 700,000 voters), in a bracket that is literary named Hezbollah and
how is it fake? I said that Hezbollah and its aligned parties got 40% (which in fact was a plurality) of the vote and then I posted a screenshot showing that. I probably posted too much and should have just posted the top row and not included its allies bc none of that matters. nobody cares about the names or breakdowns of the dozens of others parties.
i stand by this claim.
most Christians, most Druze, most Sunni Muslims and even almost half of the Shiite Muslims
show ur werk
I went today to the nova festival location and to moshav tkuma, where most of the cars of civilians that were slaughtered on 10/7 are gathered. took only a few pictures: [image]6 6vSMGd.jpg[/image] a
lemme know if you want my IRL email. Suspect it won't be long till I'm perm'd now.
close to my kibbutz there is a big community of Lebanese that fled after the 2000 Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon. they are citizens here, but most of them uphold very strong will to return to Lebanon once Hezbollah is disarmed, as if they return now, they will be murdered (as actually happened).
I know you discount their voices. cause you have no real care for human rights, as your entire world view is squed to prove that Israel is evil.
on that matter, how many jews are living in Lebanon? how many Jews can live in Lebanon?
Just remember that the Westerners who support Hez are supporting a group that fought along Assad in a war that killed hundreds of thousands, spurned on by Assad’s brutal crushing of pro-Democracy protests. This is the same group getting mad at Israel for a supposed genocide when they fought alongside someone that gassed his own people when they fought for political freedoms. Meanwhile this same group worked with that man to crush dissent within their own country, turning it into an impoverished hellhole while they hide away hundreds of millions of dollars for war against Israel and to fund terrorism.
This is who stands with Hamas, and western leftists think that Hamas and Hezbollah have the moral highground. They would be doing the far worse if they even had half the strength that Israel does. We see it clear as day.
Just remember that the Westerners who support Hez are supporting a group that fought along Assad in a war that killed hundreds of thousands, spurned on by Assad’s brutal crushing of pro-Democracy protests. This is the same group getting mad at Israel for a supposed genocide when they fought alongside someone that gassed his own people when they fought for political freedoms. Me
Exactly. lets not forget that after the IRI ordered the Revolutionary Guards to attack civilians last year, and even the Revolutionary Guards asked not to do it as the uproar against them was reaching fever high temperatures, the IRI brought Hezbollah to Iran to beat up and kill Iranians.
many many many Iranians are now openly celebrating the Hezbollah defeat,
close to my kibbutz there is a big community of Lebanese that fled after the 2000 Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon. they are citizens here, but most of them uphold very strong will to return to Lebanon once Hezbollah is disarmed, as if they return now, they will be murdered (as actually happened). I know you discount their voices. cause you have no real care for human rights, as
sounds like they collaborated with an invading army that was well known for its brutality, torture, and war crimes over the course of like 20 years and now want that same army to invade again. not really sure why you think the Lebanese society should accept them back.
sounds like they collaborated with an invading army that was well known for its brutality, torture, and war crimes over the course of like 20 years and now want that same army to invade again. not really sure why you think the Lebanese society should accept them back.
so after they committed "crimes", or supported "crimes", they gave up their civil rights and should be murdered if they go back?
well, that's an excellent argument for the Israeli operation in Gaza.
and just to make things clear 70% +- of the Lebanese society will welcome them back with open arms. guess who is in the 30%?
thats for the Lebanese to decide. I dont look favorably at collaborators of invading armies known for war crimes and torture and conquest but Im not gonna argue for any punishment.
punishing traitors and collaborators is not "genocide". Im sure if they did nothing wrong then they would be allowed back in.
sounds like they collaborated with an invading army that was well known for its brutality, torture, and war crimes over the course of like 20 years and now want that same army to invade again. not really sure why you think the Lebanese society should accept them back.
thats for the Lebanese to decide. I dont look favorably at collaborators of invading armies known for war crimes and torture and conquest but Im not gonna argue for any punishment.
punishing traitors and collaborators is not "genocide". Im sure if they did nothing wrong then they would be allowed back in.
Again, by this logic Israel is completely justified in their war against Hamas and Hezbollah. They collaborated with the Syrian government to kill hundreds of thousands of their own citizens, including chemical weapons attacks. What moral highground does Hezbollah have?
It seems that whatever Israel is doing in the Gaza strip, though it offends our Western sensibilities, is just a matter of normal warfare in the Middle East. Actually I would go further and say that there is not a more moral army than the IDF in the Middle East.
who gets to judge those "traitors and collaborators" in order to declare them "traitors and collaborators"?
who gets to enforce the judgment?
as an illustrious mod once said, "scroll up"
so Hezbollah gets free range as a non government militia force, to build an army, fight other states, judge Lebanese civilians and execute their verdict, and this is some how a morally justified?
and ofc you did not address all other crimes Hezbollah actually committed against other Arab populations.
I do believe that even any member of "your camp", will find your logic on that issue to be borderline insane.
