Israel/Palestine thread

The difference is the Israelis don't have a beef with the Iranian citizens. The Iranian citizens aren't helping their government genocide Israel. The Israelis know the Iranian citizens would love their government toppled whereas the Palestinians support and help their leaders.

hopefully Iran doesnt re-re-re-taliate. or hopefully Israel's attack is a dud so they dont feel compelled.

shouldn't Iran consider us (the USA) already at war with them .

we are supplying weapons to Israel.

if we use the IDF logic that would give Iran the right to attack us on US soil .

obviously it won't happen for many reasons .

They will retaliate for sure in some capacity. Interestingly, Biden is not returning to the situation room of the White House which could be an indicator that this is not that big of a deal or maybe he is just taking a nap.

Israel is now bombing Sharaz Iran a military zone. Also, they are bombing targets in Damascus.

It’s past Biden’s bedtime.

Both Iraq and Iran have closed down their airspace. Something big is coming!

How come the Ukrainians don't whine like this when Russia attacks.

So that's pretty straightforwardly a lie.

There are a second wave of attacks now in Tehran. This is a bad day for the Palestinian resistance.

well they kinda do. but also bc Russia doesnt kill almost entirely civilians.

The US and Israel have been directly fighting Iranian supplied groups for decades. So by this logic, Iran declared war on the US years and years ago.

Yeah after a strike Ukrainians will gather together, look at the stats and if Russia mostly killed civilians then they will post about the injustice, otherwise they will just say "well that's war".

Ironically you sound kinda like Victor who said something along the lines of "any time a Ukrainian gets his dick blown off you call it a war crime".

This is not "whining". Ukrainians post about the injustice of having their families murdered too. The difference from your perspective is probably just that no one posts these things on 2p2.

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I’m curious what you think the origin of the conflict is since you seem convinced it didn’t start with Hez joining in with Hamas in a completely unforced error.

There isn't going to be WWIII unless China gets involved, which I dont think is going to happen. I cant really articulate why it seems this way, but it really seems like things are lining up where the West will give up Tawain, and in return China will stop propping up the IRI (where it gets assurances it will have access to purchase energy from whoever takes the IRI's place).

This read could be completely wrong, but act is kind of where my head is at.

ahh yes, just making things up about me again

Iran declared war on the United States and UK when they had free elections and voted in someone who was going to keep too much of the money from Iranian oil in Iran.

Strikes on Iranian oil fields could get China involved, although unlikely their military.

I think it's unlikely Israel attacks anything which significantly hurts their oil industry.

Either way it's really premature to be claiming ww3 already imo.

This is like trying to predict late game chess moves before the first move has even been taken.

There are so many factors which will go into whether or not Taiwan is defended, or if it will even come to it requiring a defense.

Looks like the attack was restrained enough that Iran isn't going to respond, which is pretty much what everyone (except maybe Netanyahu?) wants.

If a country invades another and the invaded country has to conscript civilians to defend their sovereignty, then yes Russia has killed almost entirely civilians.

Even looking at raw numbers, more civilians have likely died in Mariupol than Gaza.

In other news, some Kurdish rebels did a terrorist attack in Turkey a couple days ago, and Turkey responded by attacking a Kurdish oil refinery, and all the pro Islamist crowd suddenly have nothing to say about attacking civilian infrastructure. Funny how that works.

If you look at the history of Turkey since the Ottoman's fell, it is actually way worse than Israel on every single dimension. And the response of the world is complete indifference. Once again demonstrating that there is no first principle behind the vast majority of the moral outrage Israel is receiving, and it is mostly just lizard brain tribalism and antisemitism.

this is some logic here. we also attacked Iran's defensive capabilities because it wasn't allowing us to fly freely over Iran