2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
Because she is better than Trump domestically and foreign policy wise wdym. Also Trump is a traitor to this country and an authoritarian.
it seems they are at worst a draw on domestic policy considering the Dems tried to pass Republican immigration bill, Kamala just said she wasnt committed to trans rights, and the Dems just let Roe get overturned.
on foreign policy, there is literally nothing worse in Gaza and while I doubt it, theres a chance Trump does something to end the Ukraine slaughter.
and now hes going to go after Starmer? well now I got a decision to make!
Victor's insistence on pretending that it's just completely incomprehensible to him that other people may care about issues other than the one he cares about is really quite something.
you are going to need to enlighten me on which issues Kamala is better on. bc even from a liberal/progressive pov, I have not found a single one.
it seems they are at worst a draw on domestic policy considering the Dems tried to pass Republican immigration bill, Kamala just said she wasnt committed to trans rights, and the Dems just let Roe get overturned.
on foreign policy, there is literally nothing worse in Gaza and while I doubt it, theres a chance Trump does something to end the Ukraine slaughter.
and now hes going to go after Starmer? well now I got a decision to make!
“End the ukraine slaughter” translated to non-insane leftist terms means letting Russia annex another country against the will of that country. Remember everyone, victor has absolutely no moral principles and only applies propaganda to any issue. He knows he is being dishonest.
Or maybe he’s just very stupid when he says “allow Roe v Wade to be overturned”. That could also make sense. Very very very stupid or dishonest. I actually think the latter is a more charitable interpretation, but nonetheless.
By the way the border bill would have cracked down on ILLEGAL immigration. JD Vance and Trump want to deport legal Haitian migrants because they’re poisoning our blood. Please point to where any democrat has ever talked about immigrants poisoning our blood.
it seems they are at worst a draw on domestic policy considering the Dems tried to pass Republican immigration bill, Kamala just said she wasnt committed to trans rights, and the Dems just let Roe get overturned.
on foreign policy, there is literally nothing worse in Gaza and while I doubt it, theres a chance Trump does something to end the Ukraine slaughter.
and now hes going to go after Starmer? well now I got a decision to make!
Border encounters and arrest have mostly varied with the number of people trying to cross which is mostly based on the economy and (lately) covid.
As far as removals go, Trump did like a time and a half as many border removals (the policy and funding not really changed much here and I wouldn't expect this to be a big difference), but Trump had about 3x as many interior removals as Biden. That's like INS raiding meatpacking plants and such and breaking up families and messing with the lives of like 200000 hard working and vital people over an above what you'd expect from Genocide Kopmala.
Also wasn’t there some super anti-trans leftist on this forum that you went to the mod thread wining about him being banned/calling for his unbanning? This guy was unhinged anti-trans and you were acting like he was some political prisoner.
vic in here getting his chain yanked by 'tory source' lmao
Border encounters and arrest have mostly varied with the number of people trying to cross which is mostly based on the economy and (lately) covid.
As far as removals go, Trump did like a time and a half as many border removals (the policy and funding not really changed much here and I wouldn't expect this to be a big difference), but Trump had about 3x as many interior removals as Biden. That's like INS raiding meatpacking plants and such and breaking up families and messing with the lives of li
some middle class whiteys have some HIGHLY important performatives to register, aka **** those people who cares
If there were any indication Trump would be less likely to send weapons to Israel, I could see it, but there's absolutely not. Everything he did in his first term and everything he says now points the other direction - and if you think it's literally impossible to be worse - then for sure it's still no better.
“End the ukraine slaughter” translated to non-insane leftist terms means letting Russia annex another country against the will of that country. Remember everyone, victor has absolutely no moral principles and only applies propaganda to any issue. He knows he is being dishonest.
Or maybe he’s just very stupid when he says “allow Roe v Wade to be overturned”. That could also make sense. Very very very stupid or dishonest. I actually think the latter is a more charitable interpretation, but nonethel
Dems had multiple chances to codify Roe into law including as recently as the Biden administration. they didnt even try.
Dems tried to pass a very similar immigration bill to that of Stephen Miller.
It's very clear to anyone who has been here any amount of time that Victor has a special hatred for liberals, to the point of using the word as an insult. If we take him at his word, it's because he feels betrayed by that whole demographic.
Also wasn’t there some super anti-trans leftist on this forum that you went to the mod thread wining about him being banned/calling for his unbanning? This guy was unhinged anti-trans and you were acting like he was some political prisoner.
You posted right after me, but were you talking to me?
I would have no idea who you are talking about, but I'm against all bans - even for Luciom. ****ing ridiculous. The post deletions are even worse.
Also wasn’t there some super anti-trans leftist on this forum that you went to the mod thread wining about him being banned/calling for his unbanning? This guy was unhinged anti-trans and you were acting like he was some political prisoner.
is this directed at me? no idea what you are talking about. and doubly not sure how it applies to this election.
It's very clear to anyone who has been here any amount of time that Victor has a special hatred for liberals, to the point of using the word as an insult. If we take him at his word, it's because he feels betrayed by that whole demographic.
A lot of people hate the class he's referring to as "liberals" and the Dumbocrat party for good reason. Some small segment of that group talks about supporting Trump, I think, mostly out of spite.
Dems had multiple chances to codify Roe into law including as recently as the Biden administration. they didnt even try.
Dems tried to pass a very similar immigration bill to that of Stephen Miller.
It’s a non-spending provision so can’t go into the omnibus spending bill. They would need either a supermajority or they would need Republicans to join in with them.
Obama had a supermajority in the first two years of his term which he used to get past a huge expansion of healthcare. Biden had a slim majority in his first two years which he used to pass child tax credit, infrastructure, domestic manufacturing investment, and a climate bill (inflation reduction act).
I actually think you know these arguments are dumb but make them anyway to try to heighten the contradictions of capitalism or some other commie nonsense.
You posted right after me, but were you talking to me?
I would have no idea who you are talking about, but I'm against all bans - even for Luciom. ****ing ridiculous. The post deletions are even worse.
I was referring to victor, sorry. I was trying to double post but you beat me by seconds.
It’s a non-spending provision so can’t go into the omnibus spending bill. They would need either a supermajority or they would need Republicans to join in with them.
Obama had a supermajority in the first two years of his term which he used to get past a huge expansion of healthcare. Biden had a slim majority in his first two years which he used to pass child tax credit, infrastructure, domestic manufacturing investment, and a climate bill (inflation reduction act).
I actually think you know these
end the filibuster, pack the courts, do the thing that they say matters. otherwise I have no use for the party or its sycophants.
Starmer will kiss the ring so fast. There will be no war
end the filibuster, pack the courts, do the thing that they say matters. otherwise I have no use for the party or its sycophants.
you realize that if they end the filibuster, roe v wade could be repealed as easily as it is codified, right? and same with court packing, it would be easy to just re-pack the courts and change the law.
these solutions are not as impactful as people that propose them say they are. in fact having a filibuster allows protection for the non-discretionary spending bills like medicare and social security. without a filibuster an administration can easily come in and repeal those things.
also we’re talking about president, who can just propose the judges be put on the court, the senate would have to confirm them and there were not enough senators to support court packing.
Well anyway hopefully Democrats hold the senate and congress and that can be a check on Trump if he wins…
Anyone that says the democrats allowed roe v wade to be overturned or had years to codify it is just plain not worth talking to. Far too ignorant of basic civics and susceptible to conservative propaganda to ever have a productive conversation with.
