Israel/Palestine thread
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Any organization can have a just cause and go about achieving it in unjust ways. Sometimes I think the issue with both sides is recognizing this to be to true.
Any organization can have a just cause and go about achieving it in unjust ways. Sometimes I think the issue with both sides is recognizing this to be to true.
I agree, I’m not supportive of everything that Israel is doing. But the problem is that because people with bad criticisms of Israel far outnumber people with good criticisms of Israel it’s not constructive to join in on the anti-Israel circlejerk even if there are real criticisms of them. Mostly because anti-zionists take any conciliation as a confession.
I agree, I’m not supportive of everything that Israel is doing. But the problem is that because people with bad criticisms of Israel far outnumber people with good criticisms of Israel it’s not constructive to join in on the anti-Israel circlejerk even if there are real criticisms of them. Mostly because anti-zionists take any conciliation as a confession.
I think that's 180 degrees off and if anything, your adversaries in this thread would be more likely to interpret what you though of as conciliation or confession as support for Israel.
as the biggest BIBI and Likkud criticiser, even I'm appauald by how much of a bad faith all your posts are against him.
there is a huge discrepancy between what BIBI is saying, and the subtitles and the tweet.
BIBI is not saying that "We own the senate, the congress..."
The interviewer is asking if we are on a collision course with the states and BIBI explains that there is the senate, the congress, and as such America is not a unified block that speaks in one voice.
Every time I see one of his posts it makes me happy to know that Israel is pounding the bad guy's. It makes me root for Israel even more even though I truly don't have any skin in the game.
Import and enable bigots without liberal values, and you become a nation of bigots without liberal values. Nice touch switching to a foreign language when it was time for gender slurs.
You can't continue to act this way if you ever want a seat at the adults table. Also, not good business. Why are these people so angry?
were any warnings sent out to the people who repost Visegrad, Brianna Wu, and that account that Dun always posts with the lion on it? all are extremely hateful and post blatant misinformation.
This is not true at all. The "Adam" account (which is just straight antisemitism and pops up in my feed a lot too) is nowhere near a moral equivalency with any of those other accounts, which are not hateful and dont post blatant misinformation.
You can't continue to act this way if you ever want a seat at the adults table. Also, not good business. Why are these people so angry?
In fairness, this is California which is a one party state and the ruling Democrat Party here has pretty much given antisemites carte blanche to attack Jews and tell them where they are and are not allowed to be, at least in progressive strongholds like Los Angeles and Oakland: see the UCLA riots, where antisemites were allowed to tell Jews where there were and were not allowed to walk in public and were allowed to menace Jewish areas of Los Angeles looking for Jews to intimidate.
The guy in this video probably treats Jews (and females, he was calling the female cop a bitch in Arabic) like this all the time with zero pushback. See how he got zero pushback from the police in this case. And I 100% guarantee if there hadn't been a video that went viral absolutely nothing would have come of this. Not even a police report or a news story. Even with this video going viral I doubt much will come of this.
If you are not of a favored identity group, the Constitution does not exist for you in the state of California, and if you click the right identity boxes you are more or less above the law.
California is more or less an Apartheid state in how laws are applied. That being said California is a very big, very wealthy state. If you stay in the suburbs and keep your head down and dont ever push back and just walk away if someone targets you for discrimination, you can live a normal life even as a second-class citizen.
Looks like a Hezbollah rocket hit a UN peacekeeping base in Lebanon. The BBC article downplays Hezbollah’s involvement while the UN forces don’t seem bothered at all. Can’t say I’m surprised.
The UN is cesspit of corruption and hypocrisy. Maybe it has some value in some contexts, but no one should ever look to the UN for any moral authority.
In fairness, this is California which is a one party state and the ruling Democrat Party here has pretty much given antisemites carte blanche to attack Jews and tell them where they are and are not allowed to be, at least in progressive strongholds like Los Angeles and Oakland: see the UCLA riots, where antisemites were allowed to tell Jews where there were and were not allowed to walk in public and were allowed to menace Jewish areas of Los Angeles looking for Jews to intimidate.
The guy in t
Dunno man. My two Jewish daughters have both participated in protests against the war in Israel. One of them lives in Oakland. Neither of them have felt that the protests generally or any people specifically have been antisemitic towards them. It's not like they are orthodox or anything, but neither of them hide being Jewish and our last name is not like one of the most common Jewish names, but pretty much every Jew and a lot of non-Jews recognize it as a Jewish name.
Looks like a Hezbollah rocket hit a UN peacekeeping base in Lebanon. The BBC article downplays Hezbollah’s involvement while the UN forces don’t seem bothered at all. Can’t say I’m surprised.
In addition to hitting the UN base, Hezbollah killed 7 farmers (including 4 foreign nationals) attacking farms in Northern Israel. As we know the Iron Dome prioritizes densely populated areas and lets rockets fall in "empty" areas. So attacking farmers in rural areas may be a vulnerability Hezbollah has decided to exploit.
The whole conservative population is so fearful and thinks the world if full of no-go zones where barbarians are just going to tear you to shreds because you're white or male or straight or Christian or, in this case, Jewish, but it's not like that.
In fairness, this is California which is a one party state and the ruling Democrat Party here has pretty much given antisemites carte blanche to attack Jews and tell them where they are and are not allowed to be, at least in progressive strongholds like Los Angeles and Oakland
Ted Lieu and Adam Schiff (Democratic members of the House from the LA area) co-sponsored a bill to make it a crime, a felony, punishable by prison time, to advocate for boycotting and divestment from Israel.
Dunno man. My two Jewish daughters who have both participated in protests against the war in Israel one of whom living in Oakland have felt that neither the protests generally nor any people specifically have been antisemitic towards them and it's not like they are orthodox or anything, but neither of them hide being Jewish and our last name is not like one of the most common Jewish names, but pretty much every Jew and a lot of non-Jews recognize it as a Jewish name.
I am sure in Alabama in 1955 most blacks that kept their head down and went to the back of the bus didn't have any problems either. But yeah, I concede in most (but not all) progressive spaces if you dont have a Star of David or any other visually Jewish symbols, and have the right politics and say the right things, things will be fine. But if things do go sideways, I would not except authorities to do much of anything to protect your civil rights in the State of California either.
The whole conservative population is so fearful and thinks the world if full of no-go zones where barbarians are just going to tear you to shreds because you're white or male or straight or Christian or, in this case, Jewish, but it's not like that.
It is not that you expect something to go wrong if you go in "no-go zones"; it is just you know if something does go wrong, the system is not on your side and will not protect you. It is 2 completely different concerns.
Like at UCLA, the pro-Israel protestors that were completely surrounded and being pushed around by a 40-1 mob while security just watched were extremely brave not because there was an extremely high chance for personal injury; but because they were putting themselves in a position of much elevated chance of injury, knowing they would get no assistance from the system during or following something going wrong. They were completely on their own.
I am sure in Alabama in 1955 most blacks that kept their head down and went to the back of the bus didn't have any problems either. But yeah, I concede in most (but not all) progressive spaces if you dont have a Star of David or any other visually Jewish symbols, and have the right politics and say the right things, things will be fine. But if things do go sideways, I would not except authorities to do much of anything to protect your civil rights in the State of California either.
But they are not keeping their heads down. I'm not saying my kids are major protest leaders or anything and it's one kid more than the other, but she runs in pretty radical circles. And they aren't wearing those Palestinian scarves either - like trying to demonstrate allegiance.
I'll concede that if you wave an Israeli flag at a protest, people might treat you as badly as if you showed up to a temple wearing a...(looking it up)...keffiyeh.
Ted Lieu and Adam Schiff (Democratic members of the House from the LA area) co-sponsored a bill to make it a crime, a felony, punishable by prison time, to advocate for boycotting and divestment from Israel.
Which bill was this? Also, if no one is willing to enforce the law, passing laws only accomplishes so much. There are plenty of laws against discrimination in California, they are just not enforced.
It is not that you expect something to go wrong if you go in "no-go zones"; it is just you know if something does go wrong, the system is not on your side and will not protect you. It is 2 completely different concerns.
Like at UCLA, the pro-Israel protestors that were completely surrounded and being pushed around by a 40-1 mob while security just watched were extremely brave not because there was an extremely high chance for personal injury; but because they were putting themselves in a posit
I don't know what day you are talking about, but I went to the UCLA protest and the pro-Israel protesters were orders of magnitude more physically aggressive.
The anti-Israel protestors were basically a bunch of skinny hippie protesting students, probably more females than males, and the pro-Israel protestors were like a bunch of a bros, many older, who came to fight.
Which bill was this? Also, if no one is willing to enforce the law, passing laws only accomplishes so much. There are plenty of laws against discrimination in California, they are just not enforced.
The very clearly unconstitutional bill didn't pass. I'm just showing you what the Democrats who California elects are like.
Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S. 720 and HR 1697)
I don’t think this is a conservative vs liberal issue. Antisemitism has been on the rise since there were calls to globalize the intifada.
Fwiw, I think the guy from that video was probably looking to provoke the shop owner and knew ahead of time exactly what his reaction would be.
I don't know what day you are talking about, but I went to the UCLA protest and the pro-Israel protesters were orders of magnitude more physically aggressive.
The anti-Israel protestors were basically a bunch of skinny hippie protesting students, probably more females than males, and the pro-Israel protestors were like a bunch of a bros, many older, who came to fight.
You literally went to a multi day protest where "Zionists" were singled out and told where they were and were not allowed to walk in public, and the authorities did nothing. This would never happen for the vast majority of identity groups, as authorities would not permit such behavior.
This is an Apartheid state by definition. Adam Schiff can pass all the anti-discrimination laws he wants, and the UC authorities will decide who is protected by those laws and who isn't, because that his how things work in deep blue areas of California.
