Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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I said quite clearly that Hamas should release the hostages. It's very obvious that you're lying and deliberately trying to twist my words into something different.
But you also explicitly said Israel would continue bombings, implying releasing the hostages would do nothing for the Palestinian people themselves. Feel free to clarify if you dont actually think this.
But you also explicitly said Israel would continue bombings, implying releasing the hostages would do nothing for the Palestinian people themselves. Feel free to clarify if you dont actually think this.
I've said that Hamas should release the hostages. Maybe get a teacher to help you if that isn't clear enough for you. Moving forward, I'd appreciate it if you didn't lie about what I've said.
Qatar sucks. Erdogan sucks. But I guess the reality is the rest of the world is going to just have to pick between who is the current lesser evil at any given moment as far as who to support as a regional hegemon in this part of the world.
qatar has played "middle man" while peddling influence with money to the west better than anyone i have ever seen
Erdogan is a POS and definitely no friend to Israel. Would he be better for the people of syria? um .. maybe. but Israel (and US) cannot let turkey take over syria
id probably be in favor of this current group staying in power but i admit its not great for the religious minorities -- although the leader has been quoted as saying the Christians (about 2% of syria) would be okay because they follow the "book" to a point but druze actual broke from muslim and would not be allowed to practice freely
Right now he is saying there will be no Shahria law and that all can practice. I hope that is legit
I've said that Hamas should release the hostages. Maybe get a teacher to help you if that isn't clear enough for you. Moving forward, I'd appreciate it if you didn't lie about what I've said.
maybe we are misunderstanding you but it sounds like:
Israel should withdraw completely
hamas should give back the hostages
and the war is over?
what happens in gaza next? hamas goes back to smuggling weapons thru tunnel, steals all of the aid during the rebuild, and gazans have another generation of horror?
who is going to fund the rebuild? The US will not if hamas is in power. I dont think SAUDI will. So maybe Iran has enough money leftover from the accounts that Joe unfroze (lol Joe), but if Hamas remains in power, things will not get better for the Gazans
qatar has played "middle man" while peddling influence with money to the west better than anyone i have ever seenErdogan is a POS and definitely no friend to Israel. Would he be better for the people of syria? um .. maybe. but Israel (and US) cannot let turkey take over syriaid probably be in favor of this current group staying in power but i admit its not great for the rel
Why?
Mets, your time here would be more pleasant if you just reined in your emotions. You’re an adult. You should not be deeply affected by what strangers say to you on the internet.Moderation will be based on posting guidelines, not who is posting what. User notes keep track of previous temps, they escalate for everyone. If Karl keeps posting like that he will be subject to the sam
this topic is obviously very personal and emotional to me.
:shrug:
Regardless, you are still responsible for controlling your own emotions as an adult. It’s not an excuse.
maybe we are misunderstanding you but it sounds like:
Israel should withdraw completely
hamas should give back the hostages
and the war is over?
Yes.
what happens in gaza next?
Ideally the refugees are given some sort of compensation for the lives and property that Israel has taken from them. I expect that's not going to happen.
Yes.
Ideally the refugees are given some sort of compensation for the lives and property that Israel has taken from them. I expect that's not going to happen.
Should the hostages get any compensation?
How about the families of the Israelis murders?
I'm assuming Israel should be doing all the compensation, not hamas who started it right?
Should the hostages get any compensation?
How about the families of the Israelis murders?
Sure.
I'm assuming Israel should be doing all the compensation, not hamas who started it right?
The US should also be on the hook. What we need is a modern Marshall plan to rebuild the entire region.
Sure.
The US should also be on the hook. What we need is a modern Marshall plan to rebuild the entire region.
The US should not give one cent to rebuild gaza if hamas is still in power
not one cent
The US should not give one cent to rebuild gaza if hamas is still in power
not one cent
No one should. The entire world should put max pressure on Qatar/Hamas to remove Hamas.
But Qatar has bought and paid for the world’s compliance, so the world will continue to fund Hamas, with predictably poor results for the Palestinians.
Sure.
The US should also be on the hook. What we need is a modern Marshall plan to rebuild the entire region.
Germany and Japan were starved, firebombed and Nuked into submission, and the the international community was allowed to rebuild a pacified country.
The Marshall plan would not have worked if Nazi germany was allowed to remain in power, control all the aid, and fight against the United States with weapons supplied by outside actors.
You are right a Marshall plan is what is needed. But the world isn’t necessary to take the first step, so won’t happen.
The US should also be on the hook. What we need is a modern Marshall plan to rebuild the entire region.
Lol, you sound like GW Bush.
Well, the biggest problem with the region is there is no water or arable land, without the economic development to handle its burgeoning population. I think it is pretty uncontroversial that economic development would be a good thing.
So the question is the best way to go about this. And I think we have enough of a sample size with the Palestinians that throwing money at the problem without dealing with radicalization and militarization of society is not working at all; and is probably provided worse outcomes than doing nothing at all.
The Palestinians (and everyone else) would probably be in much better shape if no one gave them any aid, and they just were forced to make peace on Israel's terms.
Having a giant impoverished, radicalized population completely dependent on foreign aid, which is controlled by bad actors with very little strings attached (giving them complete control of the population) is working out about as well as one would think it would.
But those are biased Zionist Western American Israeli propaganda mouthpieces. Surely you’d get much better, unbiased opinions from bot accounts on Twitter and TikTok.
nevertheless, it passed the military censor in Israel. and ofc it matches with everything we have heard and seen.
Sure there is. Hamas can escape with their life during the ceasefire
Let me ask you Trolly
If Israel agrees to a full ceasefire for the hostages, then the alleged 45000 death count was for nothing. Is that what you want? So you can **** on bibi?
What would be the point of any of this
If bibi ends the war with hamas in power, he should request exile as well.
Sorry, I always have to chime in when I read something like this. This is hard for short-term-minded Westerners to understand, but team resistance are playing a long game and are willing to make massive sacrifices. Have you seen the movie Braveheart? That vast majority of people in Gaza views themself as a William Wallace. There's no James Horner score in the background, but nevertheless, it's very powerful stuff and an advantage over the Israelis, who just want to get back to living a US-subsidized first world lifestyle on what these people believe to be their land.
So from this perspective, escaping with your life is actually a form of cowardice, and thus not nearly the incentive you think.
As I've mentioned in previous posts, the fact that it won't make sense for the Democratic party to run a pro-Israel candidate in the next 12-40 years is a massive win, as the resistance can't have any leverage in potential negotiations (much less get to them) with Israel having unlimited ammo. There are basically no stories that make Israel look good to someone with a leftist perspective, nor are there any coming down the pipeline with the entire country swept up in hard right mode.
At this point it's basically a race between ethnic cleansing and the (very) slowly closing embargo around Israel.
the fact that it won't make sense for the Democratic party to run a pro-Israel candidate in the next 12-40 years is a massive win,
Dems dont care about winning elections nor do their voters care about genocide.
Young voters do. One thing super-cynics like yourself fail to take into account is that we are in a fundamentally new era where Israeli propaganda has no (and actually an inverse) effect on digital natives.
Couple that with the fact that the average age of a Democratic establishment gatekeeper is literally 75ish, and a shift is very likely in the near future.
Young voters do. One thing super-cynics like yourself fail to take into account is that we are in a fundamentally new era where Israeli propaganda has no (and actually an inverse) effect on digital natives.
Couple that with the fact that the average age of a Democratic establishment gatekeeper is literally 75ish, and a shift is very likely in the near future.
What alternate reality are you living in?
The resistance is nothing but bad news for everyone, especially Palestinians.
Supporting the resistance is just one many horrible fringe left wing ideas the American electorate thoroughly rejects.
If the democrats ever want to win elections again they will have to move away from stupid leftism.
There is no young wave coming that supports anything you believe in. Quite the opposite.
William wallace sacrificed himself for the people (in the movie at least). The Palestinian resistance does the opposite. They sacrifice the people to elevate themselves. There is no victory down the corner with people like this.
And this is very obvious to the majority of people, no matter how many Chinese and Russian bots flood social media pretending otherwise.
