Israel/Palestine thread

I think any solution that is in accordance with the Geneva convention, and is legal, but will for certain bring more war and deaths to both sides, is 100 times worse.

We need to remember that the standards we put in place were meant to achieve a purpose, not that they are the purpose itself

For Jal, Vic and company, this is a theoretical debate about imperialism, legality, Marxist agendas and so forth.

For us it is life and death. We see things through a different lens

It is an argument against 'right to exist'. It's more 'might makes right' which is the antithesis of 'right to exist'.

It would also be an attrocity.

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--He just retweeted this promote himself and pat himself on the back, but this is the last 2 paragraphs of an article Richard Hanania wrote last January, arguing why Palestinians leaving Gaza is the most logical solution to the problem. And why there is no real hope Palestinians ever create a functional society.

https://www.richardhanania.com/p/why-palestine-cant-deliver-peace

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Hanania is a neo Nazi as well you know, considering you've linked his crap before. Nobody who isn't a neo Nazi cares what he burbles. Any point you attempt to make will automatically be null and void by virtue of the fact that you're linking neo Nazis to accentuate it. How you can't see this is quite stunning.

lol, you guys spent the last year arguing about the definitions of things like ethnic cleansing and genocide. It was obvious to all of us that it was all in bad faith but it's good the see the mask is well and truly off.

Yeah, let's just keep everything exactly as it is, and expect a different outcome...

There are standard definitions of war crimes. Forced displacement is defined as such. Even if you personally disagree it should be.

Forced displacement certainly wont be legal or in accordance with the Geneva convention, due to it being a war crime and crime against humanity.

You are a freak and a very weird dude.

Also, you uncovered the mask I wasnt wearing since day 1 you re$%$d

Why not just nuke 'em or launch chemical weapons so? Seeing as it's so unsolvable? Where do you reckon Trump is going to forcefully displace millions of people? Specifically?

I consider accusations against Israel of genocide, ethnic cleansing, apartheid etc as bad faith tactics and flat out untrue.

Forced displacement though is an actual war/humanity crime either way you cut it. I sincerely hope you're not on board with this.

Im on board with any solution that will end the war and ensure prosperity for both sides. Do you have one?

#1 has been used as justification to destroy the state of Israel. Arabs have been trying to destroy Israel for 80 years using this justification. They have just failed at it. At the end of the day Israel is a thriving nation, and Gaza is a failed city state controlled by violent gangs and hostile neighbors that want nothing to do with them, because of the failure of Arabs to destroy Israel.

Also, again I would like to reiterate there is and has been a tremendous amount of "forced displacement" of people in the last few years. It is going on in China, Ukraine, Georgia, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and 50 places in Africa. This is one of a very few cases where we have decided that no matter how bad it gets people aren't allowed to leave, for purely political reasons that have nothing to do with human rights.

Would it be an atrocity to move the Israelis out of Israel as long as they are provided with a long term solution?

All the handwringing about how it's not technically ethnic cleansing, how the people of Gaza will be allowed to return to their homes, how this definitely wasn't about stealing land, all of it was an obvious pack of lies from day 1.

Rest assured future historians will see through the bullshit and the moral rot even more clearly than those of us living through this.

If there were 20+ countries which were majority jewish, politically organized in favor of jews, where language and culture were jewish, not particularly if the solution implied moving to one of those countries with full equal rights to the citizens of that country

No more an atrocity than telling everyone to leave New York to give it back to Native Americans. Or telling Turks to leave Istanbul/Constantinople to give it back to any Christian survivors of the numerous pogroms to create the Turkish ethnostate.

If you think it is moral for people to be compelled to stay in this condition, being controlled by violent gangs and hostile neighbors guaranteeing no future, then we will have to agree to disagree.

In real life terms...it's a ****ing war crime. Merely writing off war crimes as legal definitions doesn't cut it. It's a favourable solution for Israel, not for ordinary Palestinians, including those who want no truck with Hamas or indeed intifada.
Why are you assuming forced displacement will lead to a Palestinian state?

The Muslim American groups still have Trump plastered all over their banners and profile photos on social this morning. Wonder what the over/under is on removing those in abject shame, after you vote the fox into the hen house.

This is one of the most poignant "chickens for KFC" moments of our time.

Just so I'm clear here, in your analogy Muslims are the chickens being slaughtered and Israel is the industrial mass-butchering operation?

I personally dont think it will. I dont think Palestinians have a culture capable of forming a functional state. But they aren't alone. Half the world is in some form of a failed state. Westerners take it for granted that state building is easy, but it is something half the world never really figured out.

It is amusing, because you live in a nation with a thriving giant diaspora population because a lot of people were "forced" to leave for political and socio-economic reasons.

In many ways Gaza in 2024 is just as bad as Ireland in 1845. And there is no reason to assume keeping everyone there and dumping any amount of resources into it will move the needle much, given their political culture (controlled by popularly supported violent gangs) and geopolitical realities (neighbors want nothing to do with them).

I've posted a possible solution many times, and each time you ignore it - a separate Palestinian state.

1) Many Israelis are not "native" to Israel or to the West Bank, so perhaps they should leave - it's not like they are giving up "birth rights" or whatever is the new woke phrase.
2) Nonsense
3) Not if the Palestinians get their own country.
4) Yes, it's gone because you and your fearless boys and girls armed with Western tech destroyed it and tens of thousands of lives. The lack of self-awareness here is astounding.
5) Was the Good Friday Agreement a "reward" to the IRA? Seems to be working a lot better than before.

Welcome aboard, soldier.

probably bc the USA spends insane amounts of money to destabilize them. they just spent a trillion dollars to destroy Syria. ffs they just spent like 40 million to meddle in the Georgian election.

Are you on board with forced displacement though?

Or, follow me for a second, like muslims in many other muslim majority countries, they actually don't care too much about so called "palestinians" in particular?