Donald J. Trump (For everyone else)

Donald J. Trump (For everyone else)

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by Land O Lakes k

So you're saying that Trump and his admin are smart at obeying and upholding the Constitution?

That's a question of ethics, not intelligence. If we're talking about working the system to achieve one's desired goals, then that's a question of intelligence.

by Land O Lakes k

Or are you saying they're smart at trying to dismantle the government for personal gain?

Something like that.


by zers k

That's a question of ethics, not intelligence. If we're talking about working the system to achieve one's desired goals, then that's a question of intelligence.

No. One has to first be intelligent enough to be able to understand the Constitution and government process before ethics can be considered.

None of us are really sure how much he paid attention when Bannon was giving him a crash course in 8th grade history.

by zers k

Something like that.

Well, stop beating around the bush. Stop being a pussy and tell us exactly what it's like.


by Land O Lakes k

No. One has to first be intelligent enough to be able to understand the Constitution and government process before ethics can be considered.

His people are looking into it.

by Land O Lakes k

None of us are really sure how much he paid attention when Bannon was giving him a crash course in 8th grade history.

It's all good. Bannon's got it.


by chezlaw k

Depends what you mean by fast. First robots arrived last year but are obviously specialised and very basic. Printing houses has also started. The tech will keep developing and the market will adjust to what is cheapest. That will take a while but once it is significantly easier and cheaper than humans then it's more or less over. Yes there will be a lot of hype and garbage.

How many years? Dunno but anyone thinking they have a long career ahead even in bricklaying is in deep denial.

Many will fo

Right, laying brick is very repetitive and specific as opposed to a fluid construction environment that involves unexpected variables and limited space. Also, every new automation tool is going to have to meet some form of safety and building code regulations which can take an unknown amount of time.

This also doesn't take into account that even if automation becomes a viable thing quicker than expected, you've still got the unions and the workers themselves, rightfully lobbying for protections and even if that fails, so some degree, retraining to serve in some other form of work.

And printing houses still needs people to prepare the sites for people to do the electrical, plumbing, insulation and roofing amongst others that isn't yet able to be automated.

Robots struggle enough with movement, its going to take time before they are able to start pulling wire through conduit systems with their clammy hands in someone's attic.


AI will be writing all the code, diagnosing disease and prescribing medicine and discovering new medicines, writing TV scripts, producing music, writing legal documents and more while almost all bricks are still laid by hand.


by microbet k

AI will be writing all the code, diagnosing disease and prescribing medicine and discovering new medicines, writing TV scripts, producing music, writing legal documents and more while almost all bricks are still laid by hand.

Where it really gets crazy is when AI creates diseases just so it can prescribe medicines for them... And when it makes bricklaying an "essential but illegal" activity.


wow, zers comes in with the super hot take of "people in government may actually have a plan" and just gets blasted with needless insults and attacks

way to prove you're totally not all in a cult guys



by rickroll k

wow, zers comes in with the super hot take of "people in government may actually have a plan" and just gets blasted with needless insults and attacks

way to prove you're totally not all in a cult guys

His take was he's intelligent and has a plan. Normal people interpret that as a an intelligent plan to better America.

If he meant he has an intelligent plan to form an autocracy or enrich himself and his billionaire buddies, then I don't take issue with that assertion, ricktroll.

This Senator lays it all out very clearly for those who have been asleep.


by zers k

I don't get the "Trump is stupid" view. I'd argue that his intelligence is up for debate, but even if it's not, you can't say he's not "getting **** done."

If this administration is so incompetent, why do you consider them such a threat? It's not because they're incapable of achieving their goals or knowing how to play the media and influence public opinion. There are a lot of smart and organized people behind him.

I think the destruction of the administrative state might be well orchestrated because there’s an army of right-wing lawyers behind it. Those people don’t want the same thing as the ones behind the tariffs, or even the ones behind the anti-immigration sentiment. And certainly they probably don’t have much of an opinion about Ukraine.

It’s by design that their motives are incredibly bifurcated from the rest of the administration. As long as they can continue the dismantling of independent agencies, they can accomplish their goals. Any chaos that happens in other parts of the administration can actually be repurposed for their ultimate goal of dismantling cohesion between administrations that allow for continuing social programs and regulations.

So I would say I half agree that we shouldn’t underestimate certain individuals inside the administration, but that isn’t a clean “they have a plan”. It’s more that certain plans have been put in place where they have bet on being able to control, or at least contain, Trump.

I think Trump probably runs the White House like he ran the Apprentice. He makes people compete against each other and then takes credit for whatever decisions come out of that process. And given that, there’s probably not much that goes on in the White House that is actually his idea, so your theory that what’s going on can have the fingerprints of smart people on it is probably correct. But as far as that goes the stupid crap probably also comes from stupid people, like tariffs. I don’t think this comes from some overarching ideology but a pure instinct. We all know he didn’t read stuff in his first term, and it has been four years, so it’s still probably the same.


by formula72 k

Right, laying brick is very repetitive and specific as opposed to a fluid construction environment that involves unexpected variables and limited space. Also, every new automation tool is going to have to meet some form of safety and building code regulations which can take an unknown amount of time.

This also doesn't take into account that even if automation becomes a viable thing quicker than expected, you've still got the unions and the workers themselves, rightfully lobbying for protections

Sure. There will be lost of jobs left even as the jobs are evaporating fast.

Yes there will be attempts to hold back the tide.

Going the other way with at least as much force. Construction will adapt to the methods that can be automated.

by microbet k

AI will be writing all the code, diagnosing disease and prescribing medicine and discovering new medicines, writing TV scripts, producing music, writing legal documents and more while almost all bricks are still laid by hand.

and so many of the people from the evaporated parts will be moving to the areas that are still wet.


The alleged downsizing of the US government could very well be a plan made by clever people, but that doesn't mean it is a clever plan. The amount of embarrassing errors and mistakes that have come to light puts the notion that it is carried out with any level of competency to shame. It is obviously not.

Nor does clever people defending what is likely a bad plan carried out incompetently mean much. Clever people defending piss-poor politics is not exactly rare.

Embarrassing errors that is difficult to hide aside, the remainder of the process is carried out with a complete lack of transparency, oversight or accountability. The key players involved are also heavily vested in their private interests to a degree that is unheard of in a functioning democracy.

This means that in addition to the incompetence, the process is likely corrupt. The only way of determining that it is not, would be to have full transparency, oversight and accountability.


I am wondering if average Americans have any idea of the sense of betrayal Canada and Europe are feeling, and the amazement that the US citizenry and elected representatives are putting up with their president siding with Russia and NK against the free world.


by tame_deuces k

The alleged downsizing of the US government could very well be a plan made by clever people, but that doesn't mean it is a clever plan. The amount of embarrassing errors and mistakes that have come to light puts the notion that it is carried out with any level of competency to shame. It is obviously not.

Nor does clever people defending what is likely a bad plan carried out incompetently mean much. Clever people defending piss-poor politics is not exactly rare.

Embarrassing errors that is difficul

When Republicans make government look incompetent, it erodes people’s trust in government. Thus if their strategy is to do just that, then they succeeded.

Heads they win, tails we lose


by diebitter k

I am wondering if average Americans have any idea of the sense of betrayal Canada and Europe are feeling, and the amazement that the US citizenry and elected representatives are putting up with their president siding with Russia and NK against the free world.

Can confirm average American has zero idea what the hell is going on outside their little life bubble.


by tame_deuces k

The alleged downsizing of the US government could very well be a plan made by clever people, but that doesn't mean it is a clever plan. The amount of embarrassing errors and mistakes that have come to light puts the notion that it is carried out with any level of competency to shame. It is obviously not.

Nor does clever people defending what is likely a bad plan carried out incompetently mean much. Clever people defending piss-poor politics is not exactly rare.

Like most people, Trump is more competent at some things than others. It would be hard to characterize Trump and his people as incompetent at running for president. They succeeded with a very non-traditional campaign against long odds in 2016. They seem to have good instincts for defanging potential competitors within their own party. Trump's intuition that voters would tolerate historic levels of outright lying was prescient, as was his intuition about how little voters care about democratic norms.

A lot of people, however, confuse competence at running for president with competence at being president. Trump is far less competent at governing (which is one reason why his least successful campaign was immediately after he had been president for four years).

Trump's first term featured several ridiculous own goals, most notably his failed attempt to overturn the ACA and his pathetic attempts at election denial. The tariffs certainly look like they will prove to be a similar own goal in his second term, and I don't expect his attempted tongue kiss with Elon to end well either.

Lastly, as you alluded to, packing government with blind loyalists invites corruption, which generally runs counter to competence.


by Gorgonian k

Can confirm average American has zero idea what the hell is going on outside their little life bubble.

Eh. I think that most Americans understand that a great many people in Canada and Europe are repulsed by Trump. It's just a very American thing to not care, especially for Americans prone to nationalism.


by Rococo k

\I think that most Americans understand that a great many people in Canada and Europe are repulsed by Trump.

Which is a different statement than I was responding to. I'm not even sure I could go as far as "most" in that statement, though.


by Gorgonian k

Which is a different statement than I was responding to. I'm not even sure I could go as far as "most" in that statement, though.

Most might by be an understatement. But it's a lot. A fair percentage of Trump supporters think that the reaction from traditional Western democracies is a sign that Trump is doing it right.


by Rococo k

Eh. I think that most Americans understand that a great many people in Canada and Europe are repulsed by Trump. It's just a very American thing to not care, especially for Americans prone to nationalism.

They are, but they were in the first term as well.

And they were by Bush as well.

65-23 disapproval of Bush in Germani in august 2001

Basically europeans in particular are far to the left of americans so they are repulsed by any republican en masse. What is "center-right" in europe is a moderate democrat in the USA.


by Rococo k

Most might by be an understatement. But it's a lot. A fair percentage of Trump supporters think that the reaction from traditional Western democracies is a sign that Trump is doing it right.

We have a lot of people even posting here about how much even the UK loves Trump. Confirmation bias is a helluva thing. All I'm saying is its probably at least close.

Delulu gonna delulu.


I think the word cockwomble sums up what most of the UK thinks of Trump, imo.



1. Lol
2. It is now illegal in the US to boycott Tesla because you hate Leon
3. Lol appealing to MAGA to buy electric cars
4. Lol Trumpy driving


by diebitter k

I think the word cockwomble sums up what most of the UK thinks of Trump, imo.

British slang is the best. Cockwomble is almost as good as jobsworth. The latter term meant nothing to me until d2 defined it.


I'm dying here.

Trump says Ontario ‘not allowed’ to slap surcharge on electricity sent to U.S. states
By Codi Wilson

Published: March 11, 2025 at 6:59AM EDT

“Despite the fact that Canada is charging the USA from 250% to 390% on Tariffs on many of our farm products, Ontario just announced a 25% surcharge on ‘electricity,’ of all things, and your not even allowed to do that,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

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This plus his assertion that boycotting Tesla is illegal is sending me. There's no way any of you people can support this buffoon. None.


by StoppedRainingMen k

1. Lol
2. It is now illegal in the US to boycott Tesla because you hate Leon
3. Lol appealing to MAGA to buy electric cars
4. Lol Trumpy driving

Would be hilarious to see Trumpers turn in their F350's for Cybertrucks and hear how they spin it.

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