Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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I forgot; I came on here to ask for the Zionist take on Mahmoud Khalil. It seems to be a clear case of needless cruelty and a violation of civil rights from our government. The video Victor posted the screengrab of is truly awful to watch. And not that it really matters, but the guy doesn't exactly seem like Osama bin Laden Jr., either. Seems relatively calm and moderate, re
If he has actual proven links to Hamas or other groups then I couldn't care less if he's deported or imprisoned.
If he doesn't and is simply expressing his views, then the Trump admin are infringing on his rights and assaulting freedom.
Nope it's because they are fairly succesful there (so the anti-palestine crowd doesn't want to focus on that), but they are almost all christians (so the anti-Israel, pro-Hamas crowd doesn't want to point that out).
The fact that there are palestinian christians is problematic for some anti-palestinian narrative, the fact that they perform invariably better than palestinian muslims as groups when in other countries is problematic for pro-hamas narratives.
Im not really going to get into legal arguments with you. obv you are wrong but even if people arent allowed to "cheer on Hamas" in this country, this guy was the furthest thing from a Hamas supporter. he was a liberal and borderline collaborationist with the US Empire and Israeli entity. what this shows is that capitulation and collaboration with the depraved empire is neve
The guy chose his anti Israel/America views over his family.
actually, as of yet they have not argued that and spokespeople have said the opposite. this is further confirmed by the fact that he hasnt been charged with any crimes.
In your worldview this is just how the American govt behaves, and it doesn’t even matter what party is in power, so you don’t even bother to vote.
So this shouldn’t surprise you to move the needle much. Like Deuces, You are always free to emigrate to places you view as more ethical actors; like Russia, Venezuela, North Korea and Gaza.
Most of the members of this forum didn't have any problems when they were throwing people in jail for going to the beach during Covid lockdowns.
What states put people in prison for that? We didn't have that up here and we were very strict.
In your worldview this is just how the American govt behaves, and it doesn’t even matter what party is in power, so you don’t even bother to vote.
So this shouldn’t surprise you to move the needle much. Like Deuces, You are always free to emigrate to places you view as more ethical actors; like Russia, Venezuela, North Korea and Gaza.
be that as it may, you made a factually incorrect statement.
it doesnt move the needle much for me but it is unprecedented in some wyas. this guy was part of the liberal elite and was doing things the "right way" by working within the system and following all the rules.
if he was a radical and not within the system then the govt would just murder him like the Ferguson activists or MLK or Malcolm X.
If he has actual proven links to Hamas or other groups then I couldn't care less if he's deported or imprisoned.
If he doesn't and is simply expressing his views, then the Trump admin are infringing on his rights and assaulting freedom.
We should reevaluate the view of Hamas in light of Israel's atrocities now that we've seen them for ourselves on TikTok. There was always a good case that Hamas were the good guys. But that was obscured by their choice of tactics which could credibly be called terrorist as they targeted civilians. But Israelis were, without question, also terrorists and, furthermore, Israel were the instigator terrorists as it was their program of illegal expansion of settlements at the heart of the conflict.
(we are saying terrorism is simply the targeting of civilian populations with violence in order to achieve political ends)
In light of Israel's mass slaughtering of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians Israel is, beyond question, the bigger terrorists in addition to being the instigating terrorists. Because a state does terrorism doesn't mean it isn't terrorism. Given that Hamas aren't 1% the terrorists that the Israelis are, I don't see how "links to Hamas" qualify someone as worthy of deportation. If we apply the standard that links to terrorist groups qualify one for deportation there are thousands of Israeli lobbyists and supporters in the country who need to be rounded up and shipped out for their ties to terrorist organizations, namely the state of Israel.
If Khalil can be arrested for expressing an opinion then anyone can be arrested for expressing an opinion. Are we really going to let Israel destroy free speech in America so that they can commit crimes against humanity without being criticized? You can't call yourself an American and be that stupidly loyal to Israel.
We should reevaluate the view of Hamas in light of Israel's atrocities now that we've seen them for ourselves on TikTok.
i'll stick with my original view that suicide bombs and rape are bad. thanks
it's still quite funny that Einstein, on arriving in the US after declining a chair at Oxford, praised the academic and social freedom of the US like a good boy, when he knew perfectly well that the IAS at Princeton had to create a fellowship specially for him because the Ivy League colleges -- including Princeton, which is co-located with the IAS but is a completely separate
This is just wrong. The US was still a scientific backwater when Einstein emigrated. The physics department at Princeton was a small hamlet under the engineering school. There were no fellowships in theoretical physics at Princeton or Harvard or really anywhere in the US for Einstein to get rejected from in the first place, that's why they had to be created. Similarly, Oppenheimer had to go to Cambridge and Gottingen because after entering Harvard at 18 nobody was qualified to supervise him when he was just 20.
Ah yes getting info from TikTok. There’s a clear, high correlation between those who get their info from TikTok and Twitter and those who are making completely batshit insane posts.
Just wanted to point that out for the reasonable posters.
This is just wrong. The US was still a scientific backwater when Einstein emigrated. The physics department at Princeton was a small hamlet under the engineering school. There were no fellowships in theoretical physics at Princeton or Harvard or really anywhere in the US for Einstein to get rejected from in the first place, that's why they had to be created. Similarly, Oppe
I also think persecution in Europe was a driving force for Jewish scientists and other intellectuals to come to America. It seems silly to suggest that they weren’t previously successful in the face of prejudice.
If Khalil can be arrested for expressing an opinion then anyone can be arrested for expressing an opinion. Are we really going to let Israel destroy free speech in America so that they can commit crimes against humanity without being criticized? You can't call yourself an American and be that stupidly loyal to Israel.
Khalil was arrested (by ICE) as a foreign national to be deported.
The law might or might not have been properly applied in his case but, no matter what you think of the merits of the case, if at the end he gets deported nothing changes for the rights of actual Americans.
What's at stake at most here is free speech for non citizens who are currently in the USA
What states put people in prison for that? We didn't have that up here and we were very strict.
California
DeucesMcCrack said he watched a bunch of pro-Hamas propaganda on TikTok and has come to the conclusion that Hamas are the good guys. Shocking.
One guy, after disobeying life guards for 30 mins? Yeah I dunno. That does not a big issue make.
Khalil was arrested (by ICE) as a foreign national to be deported.
The law might or might not have been properly applied in his case but, no matter what you think of the merits of the case, if at the end he gets deported nothing changes for the rights of actual Americans.
What's at stake at most here is free speech for non citizens who are currently in the USA
Nobody is gonna miss this guy except his baby momma.
The main lesson is don't think unpopular speech won't cause you to be targeted by schools, companies or even the government. Conservatives sometimes pretend to care about free speech as a right, but obviously don't.
The main lesson is don't think unpopular speech won't cause you to be targeted by schools, companies or even the government. Conservatives sometimes pretend to care about free speech as a right, but obviously don't.
You are Canadian, right? Should we look to your country as a better example of how to protect unpopular speech?
DeucesMcCrack said he watched a bunch of pro-Hamas propaganda on TikTok and has come to the conclusion that Hamas are the good guys. Shocking.
actually, most of us just watched Israeli tiktok and social media to come to that conclusion.
Is this bad?
Yoav Gallant, Israel’s defence minister at the time, admitted during an interview last month that ‘Hannibal’ orders to kill both Israeli captives and their Palestinian captors were given repeatedly and in various locations – and even lamented that in some areas it had not been given, leading to Israelis being taken into Gaza. But now the Jerusalem Post has reported the Israeli military also admitting the use of the directive to ‘fire on anything that was moving’ – and that Israeli forces carried out almost 950 airstrikes and fired 11,000 times from helicopters, resulting in heavy casualties.
This is just wrong. The US was still a scientific backwater when Einstein emigrated. The physics department at Princeton was a small hamlet under the engineering school. There were no fellowships in theoretical physics at Princeton or Harvard or really anywhere in the US for Einstein to get rejected from in the first place, that's why they had to be created. Similarly, Oppe
Not really the case. Oppenheimer and Ernest Lawrence (who would win the Nobel in '39 for inventing the cyclotron) were already on the faculty at Berkeley well before Einstein arrived in the US. But even if American universities were weak on physics, that would be all the more reason for them to want Einstein, only they didn't.
You are Canadian, right? Should we look to your country as a better example of how to protect unpopular speech?
Lol no. Sorry to ruin your (obviously terrible regardless) deflection.
