Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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its not clear that Hezbollah is on the border and many Lebanese accounts are saying it is local tribesman and clans. and yes, ofc Israel is happy they their proxy is attacking another country. but we know that the rules based order was always bullshit and the West and its proxies dont need to recognize or respect the sovereignty of anyone.
its not clear that Hezbollah is on the border and many Lebanese accounts are saying it is local tribesman and clans. and yes, ofc Israel is happy they their proxy is attacking another country. but we know that the rules based order was always bullshit and the West and its proxies dont need to recognize or respect the sovereignty of anyone.
Israel was bombing Damascus a couple days ago. And have been attacking HTS weapons for quite awhile now. I mean, you have made ip your mind thst HTS is an Israeli proxy, and I understand reality doesn’t sway you very much, so not going to bother.
But obvious to the rest of us on planet reality, HTS isn’t close to an Israeli proxy. Israel hasn’t even recognized them diplomatically yet, unlike most of Europe, Canada and the Muslim world.
It would be more accurate to say they are a Canadian proxy. Not very accurate, but more accurate.
its not clear that Hezbollah is on the border and many Lebanese accounts are saying it is local tribesman and clans. and yes, ofc Israel is happy they their proxy is attacking another country. but we know that the rules based order was always bullshit and the West and its proxies dont need to recognize or respect the sovereignty of anyone.
Well, in this part of the world when they put on the headband they are Hezbollah and when they take it off they are local clans.
But if the hit on the 3 HTS soldiers that started all this wasn’t authorized, or even if it was, and Hezbollah doesn’t want to associate with it, that is fine.
Pretty intense fighting on border of Syria between HTS and Hezbollah. Israel must feel relived they can just sit this one out and whatever happens is +EV for them.
Israel didn't sit this out by any means. Israel knee capped Hezbollah and that is the only reason all these gangs are running around killing and terrorizing everyone.
Well, in this part of the world when they put on the headband they are Hezbollah and when they take it off they are local clans.
the Lebanon understander has logged on.
Benny Morris is a bad person. He is similar to most other people you will find in high academic positions or public intellectuals but with some interesting differences. They all got to where they are by conforming, by doing their homework and being interested in things they were told to be interested in, by memorizing long lists of vocabulary words to boost their entrance exam
Finkelstein is a pos who cheered October 07th, comparing Hamas atrocities to the Warsaw ghetto uprising, so I see where Vic gets this from. He also said if Israel targets civilians then Hezbollah can target Israeli civilians.
Not sure how you can claim Morris is a bad guy but Finkelstein isn't.
Hezbollah took great care to avoid civilian attacks. maybe thats why they werent able to stop the genocide.
Hezbollah took great care to avoid civilian attacks. maybe thats why they werent able to stop the genocide.
Yes, they are a model of human rights...
Hezbollah took great care to avoid civilian attacks...
some more VICism's:
Mary Poppins was a slut and a pedophile
Hitler was a Jew
Chris Brown is a sixth wave feminist
Friends is better than Seinfeld
Pizza is a French dish
Oil and water mix and become Cola
This discussion has crossed the line from farce into an unknown universe.
Add North Korea is the most moral country in the world (North Korea is literally cited as “one of the most repressive countries in the world”😉 to the list of completely wrong and insane statements Victor has made.
I don’t think even his little band of supporters can get behind that one.
His track record of being right vs wrong is dreadful to the point where you wonder if he’s trolling. But would someone troll for 10+ posts a day for 20 years in a row? That would have to be something else… iykyk
Here’s a link for any other boneheads who think NK is a paradise.
North Korea is yet to do a genocide while the USA knocks out a few every decade for fun and profit.
I can't remember NK starving millions of people for Supremacist ideals and profit. But that's a pastime as American as apple pie.
You have no idea what you’re saying. No one cares what you “remember” lmao.
Holy mental illness.
I know that USA and it's allies starved millions in Yemen and are now doing the same in Gaza.
I also know that since the facts are on my side you need to resort to childish and hominems.
You’re a troll or mentally ill.
If any of Victor’s supporters feel the same way about North Korea, feel free to check out the Human Rights Watch link I provided above. You’ll find that not only is Victor wrong, the FACTS support the complete OPPOSITE of what he claims.
DuecesMcCrack, this is what I was talking about when I mentioned dismantling Victor’s claims. It’s very easy and usually takes a single reputable link to completely disprove everything he says.
I'm lost, is Victor saying countries in Africa/Asia/South America have never starved themselves without the influence of the West?
That's just preposterous.
Two separate posts in which a guy gleefully cheering on the mass murder of children accuses someone else of mental illness. Doyle is also a fan of accusing all of his opponents (i.e., those opposed to mass murder of children) of antisemitism, a deranged and obviously false claim; a mentally-well person isn't too likely to do so.
Look inward, fascist.
Finkelstein is a pos who cheered October 07th, comparing Hamas atrocities to the Warsaw ghetto uprising, so I see where Vic gets this from. He also said if Israel targets civilians then Hezbollah can target Israeli civilians.
Not sure how you can claim Morris is a bad guy but Finkelstein isn't.
Norman Finkelstein is a man of principle who has sacrificed for his principles. He did not cheer for the Oct 7th breakout. He expressed a nuanced position which was neither an endorsement or condemnation, basically saying he can't judge people in concentration camps as to how they feel they should free themselves. He compared it to slave uprisings in the U.S., in particular the Nat Turner uprising. In that uprising, children of slavers were killed. And, in fact, Finkelstein said he was so conflicted about how to judge it that he would usually consult with Chomsky but since Chomsky was unavailable he turned to how moralists and abolitionists of the era viewed the Turner rebellion. In particular he looked up what William Lloyd Garrison had to say about slave rebellions and then just took that position. Finkelstein basically recused himself from forming an opinion and looked to those he felt were his moral betters. This is not the behavior of a bad person. This is the behavior of an exceptional person.
International law happens to be, in large part, on the side of Hamas, at least in their attacks on the Israeli military. Recall that the occupation has been judged to be illegal under international law. Hamas or any Palestinian has a legal right to kill Israeli military occupying them.
