Israel/Palestine thread
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starving innocent children to death in torture camps due to their ethnicity.
You people have been saying they are mass murdering 100,000 people for a year and a half. Interestingly this number seems to be coming down. We are around 30k dead. I think it's closer to 20K.
You think it's closer to 20k? Well you should share your findings and your methodology with those tasked with producing the estimates. Or would they not listen to you because you have no earthly idea what you are talking about?
but yeah if you are following the Nazi playbook don't leave out the part where they deny what they did.
I would ask you why you don't just say you are pro ethnic cleansing. I mean you are saying that, but for some reason you just don't want to admit it. Are you just aping the Israeli leadership in being coy with your policy preference? If you think it through I think you can figure out that there is no reason for YOU to deny things. You aren't a symbol or representative of the state. Are you that in your own head or something? You can say what you really want and it won't impact what is happening.
I don't know why you are taking on diplomatic masking like you are a somebody. You are free to just say you approve of ethnic cleansing and mass murder based on ethnicity.
You think it's closer to 20k?
theyve dropped like 50kg of bombs per person there and only killed 20k. worst bombs in history.
Stop calling each other mentally ill. It’s not okay to stigmatize mental illness, and I’m gonna ban the next one who does it.
Use better insults.
All Hamas does with its weapons is hide in tunnels while Israel rules the skies and streets of Gaza with impunity.
They don't rule the streets with impunity. Look at the red triangle videos from Beit Hanoun the week before the ceasefire. Israel took their biggest casualties of the previous year during that week. Soldiers not going back to mom the same way they left = punishment.
You think it's closer to 20k? Well you should share your findings and your methodology with those tasked with producing the estimates. Or would they not listen to you because you have no earthly idea what you are talking about?
but yeah if you are following the Nazi playbook don't leave out the part where they deny what they did.
I would ask you why you don't just say you are pro ethnic cleansing. I mean you are saying that, but for some reason you just don't want to admit it. Are you just aping t
Is there something you would like to say but you haven't?
Everything I want to say I can say. You, however, are acting like you have some diplomatic restrictions. But you don't. You could say what you really mean. You're acting like when David Duke ran for a senate seat. I mean the most common phrase among prominent white supremacists is "I'm not racist". David Duke is clearly a deeply racist person who has dedicated their life to racism. But he won't cop to it? You clearly want Palestinians to all die simply because they are Palestinians but, like David Duke, you won't cop to it.
Why? It's not going to change the taste of mustard. Imagine having an honest dialogue and exchange of ideas where you don't have to lie about your beliefs. All that dancing around the belief and denying it is for people on TV, not you. You're just some guy no the internet. You don't have to act diplomatic you can just say what you really believe.
Gaza bakeries shut and painkillers on ration after month of Israeli blockade
I]One month since Israel closed all crossings to Gaza for goods, all UN-supported bakeries have closed, markets are empty of most fresh vegetables and hospitals are rationing painkillers and antibiotics.
It is the longest blockade yet of Israel's nearly 18-month-long war against Hamas. This week, during the normally festive Muslim holiday of Eid al-Fitr, many Gazans say they have gone hungry.
"This was the worst ever Eid for us," Um Ali Hamad, a displaced woman from Beit Lahia, told the BBC as she searched for food in Gaza City. "We can't eat or drink. We couldn't enjoy it. We're exhausted."
"We can no longer find things to eat like tomatoes, sugar or oil. They're not available. I can barely find one meal a day. Now, there are no charity food handouts."
"I only have one grandchild; he was born during the war. He's three months old and we can't find milk or nappies for him."[/I]
this is a pro-Israeli account with nearly 400k subscribers. it has been linked here many times by the supporters of Israel.
seems normal to celebrate the murder of a 2 year old.
this is a pro-Israeli account with nearly 400k subscribers. it has been linked here many times by the supporters of Israel.
seems normal to celebrate the murder of a 2 year old.
It's clearly not good wording considering it was a year old. That being said, many pro-Israel folks view any Gazan as a future terrorist.
Your initial post was from "gaza notifications" aka trust me bro.
Anyway, how pray tell were the paramedics "executed"? Were they lined up and shot, one behind the ear each? Hung, perhaps? Any more details from your totally reliable sources to justify the execution claim?
heres more video of the thing you vehemently denied from the beginning.
maybe you should consider why you are always wrong about this stuff and further why you are on the side of the guys executing paramedics.
lets read a little bit more about the incident
heres more video of the thing you vehemently denied from the beginning.
maybe you should consider why you are always wrong about this stuff and further why you are on the side of the guys executing paramedics.
lets read a little bit more about the incident
Yeah and I'm still denying they were "executed", the way you're trying to frame it as. Could have been war jitters human error for all we know. That's not to condone it btw- if the ambulances and bodies were indeed buried as claimed, then that does indeed strongly imply unjustified killings and subsequent cover up, and if that is the case, then the perpetrators should face trial- but that said, you need to tone down the hyperbole if you wish to be taken remotely seriously.
- if the ambulances and bodies were indeed buried as claimed,
lol, you guys simply deny reality.
theres literally video evidence of it from the UN including a white guy who was on scene. so not those shady "Hamas Gazans" but an actual real Westerner was there. (probably why they didnt drone strike these guys after giving them approval like they have done so many other times)
and heres the full video from the NYT. its just audio but its pretty graphic https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/190841... it includes the 5 minutes of machine gun fire that the NYT left out. you can hear the men praying and then crying in pain as they get shredded by bullets.
lets see what else we have
oh right, they were found bound and we have audio of an Israeli soldier saying to bring the restraints.
then the perpetrators should face trial
fully agree. everyone in the Army and political leadership should be investigated for war crimes and those few who havent taken part in murdering or torturing Palestinians should be de-Zionized. in fact, the whole society needs to go through that process.
..."De-Zionised" by whom, exactly? And define that particular term specifically please, cheers.
Victor documents (with citations) many of the horrors perpetrated by Israel. They then say, "ah, we don't like your sources!" He then cites unfriendly press like NYTimes and various Israeli publications showing documented murders and other brutal crimes committed by Israel, at least to the extent those entities will reveal Israel's crimes.
Corpus Vile, on the other hand:
..."De-Zionised" by whom, exactly? And define that particular term specifically please, cheers.
this was one entire post
Yeah and I'm still denying they were "executed", the way you're trying to frame it as. Could have been war jitters human error for all we know. That's not to condone it btw- if the ambulances and bodies were indeed buried as claimed, then that does indeed strongly imply unjustified killings and subsequent cover up, and if that is the case, then the perpetrators should face trial- but that said, you need to tone down the hyperbole if you wish to be taken remotely seriously.
another entire post, one in which the drive-by, zero source, one-liner king corpus vile gives advice on "how to be taken remotely seriously" to the guy who regularly cites his work and in fact goes out of his way to cite sources his opponents prefer (something which is either extremely rarely or NEVER done by the Bibi bootlickers ITT)
I get that there's no intellectually honest and morally upstanding way to defend Zionism and Israel's actions, but damn, it's truly pathetic if this is all they can muster
I especially get why you're not big on those who aren't impressed with hyperbole.
Anyway maybe you can define "de-Zionising" and who should do the "de-Zionising"?
I especially get why you're not big on those who aren't impressed with hyperbole.
Anyway maybe you can define "de-Zionising" and who should do the "de-Zionising"?
Nobody could ever be impressed by someone who effectively instantly dismisses all points contrary to what he believes, even after his enemies patiently and politely cite their work and provide context. And when the only thing this person ever brings in return are these one-liner "Just Asking Questions" style contrarian nitpicks?
I'll define your word after you accept that Israel is committing a genocide according to the typically accepted definition of that word (which, fwiw, I've already conclusively and fully demonstrated ITT)
I especially get why you're not big on those who aren't impressed with hyperbole.
Anyway maybe you can define "de-Zionising" and who should do the "de-Zionising"?
I was thinking of what happened after WW2 in the fascist countries to undo the extremism. but then, after thinking about it, that never happened and instead the fascists were just absorbed into the West.
maybe it worked better in North Korea and China and parts of the Soviet sphere. but in practice, it is a meaningless term. or a pie on the sky idea. I am a defeatist in nature due to my Western upbringing but really I dont think there is any conceivable way to remove the genocidal extremism of the West and its Israeli proxy.
The BBC is going quite big on the IDF ambush of paramedics (whose vehicle emergency lights were on, contrary to the IDF claim):-
This is an online video, but the story has been on every BBC broadcast bulletin all day.
This was three days ago:-
The BBC is going quite big on the IDF ambush of paramedics (whose vehicle emergency lights were on, contrary to the IDF claim):-
This is an online video, but the story has been on every BBC broadcast bulletin all day.
The BBC has the same basic position it has had since 10/7. That max pressure should be put on Israel to come to terms Hamas finds acceptable in order to end this round of fighting.
And that Hamas should be given carte Blanche to act as they see fit, with no judgment or pressure put on them.
And they see this incident as a singular opportunity to exert leverage to push their position toward their desired outcome. (Basically a return to the pre 10/7 status quo)
FWIW I don’t think for a second that either side is being truthful about what happened.
If I had to guess, I would guess the convoy was either all or partly militants moving in disguise as first responders, which they often do, and which the UN and NGOs facilitate them doing.
But even then, the IDF forces probably violated some of their own protocols and rules of war in their response and are covering it up.
That being said, the BBC isn’t very interested in truth either, except when it suits their position. So I would not look to them as inpartial journalists, but rather as propagandists aligned with Hamas.
