Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Why wouldn’t Israel just kill them in jail? Why would they have to release them to Gaza before killing them if that’s their intent? You’ve repeatedly claimed that Israel has no regard for consequences so what exactly is stopping them?
You're better than that question.
As per the substance of it. I assume you agree Israel doesn't just kill them in prison but does target people they associate with hamas in gaza which would presumably include 'Israeli born terrorists' they have in prison. Faced with that choice maybe they prefer the prison option.
chez, why do you give up the narrative to these genocide supporters? why do you call them terrorists? why do you think any part of this story is true? doyle is not "better than that question". you, however should be.
chez, why do you give up the narrative to these genocide supporters? why do you call them terrorists? why do you think any part of this story is true? doyle is not "better than that question". you, however should be.
lol Victor
lol you were saying they were dangerous terrorists but its a bunch of women who live in Israel that were abducted for saying "Free Palestine" on facebook.
you made it seem like these were Jihadis sentenced to life imprisonment when it was political prisoners facing relatively short sentences who have family in Gaza.
chez, why do you give up the narrative to these genocide supporters? why do you call them terrorists? why do you think any part of this story is true? doyle is not "better than that question". you, however should be.
I was quoting the post i responded to but the issue here isn't whether they are terrorists or not. it's how Israel classifies then that would inform their choice. I also dont know the truth of if and how many chose to remain in prison. If they dont exist I can except the hypothetical as they could very reasonably prefer prison to being blown up probably alongisde their family.
I dont think think that's conceding any narrative. I'm arguing against the dea that any prefering to stay in prison would be evidence that they wouldn't prefer to live in Gaza under hamas.
If that were remotely true we’d see droves of Palestinians turning themselves in to get a cushy seat in Israeli jail.
I'm not sure that follows but do Palestinians living in Gaza that Israel considers terrorists even have that option?
lol you were saying they were dangerous terrorists but its a bunch of women who live in Israel that were abducted for saying "Free Palestine" on facebook. you made it seem like these were Jihadis sentenced to life imprisonment when it was political prisoners facing relatively short sentences who have family in Gaza.
I didn’t make it seem like anything. My point was most Arabs in Israel would prefer to live in Israel than anywhere in the Arab world. Because generally the Arab world sucks, even if you are an Arab, and Israel sucks less.
And this is one data point to support that argument.
they dont consider it Israel but rather Palestine. and ya, no **** they want to stay in their homeland.
but dont worry, Israel is planning to remove them at some point.
they dont consider it Israel but rather Palestine. and ya, no **** they want to stay in their homeland.
but dont worry, Israel is planning to remove them at some point.
I doubt your ancestors are from Cleveland (or wherever you live). Why don’t you want to move back to your homeland?
I am endlessly amused at leftist doublethink, where they simultaneously argue against the whole concept of borders and nations, except when it comes to Palestinians; who are unique in all humanity in having a genetic nationalist bond to the soil that can never be broken.
You think if Israel was really intent on land expansion with the full backing of the US it would still be the size of New Jersey? Fully ******ed.
Guerrilla warfare is effective.
Failed incursions in Lebanon aside, Israel can't even operate in Gaza without their soldiers being in severe danger. They are taking what they can get easily because that's all they have the ability to do, but that doesn't mean that goal isn't to expand, at least for a large % of those in power.
, except when it comes to Palestinians; who are unique in all humanity in having a genetic nationalist bond to the soil that can never be broken.
bro, dont you support Israel?
I support Israel in the same way I support Turkey. Whatever the circumstances of their formation, they are there and they aren't going anywhere; so the rest of the world should make their peace. I would be of supportive of ethnic Greeks reconquering Western Turkey and Constantinople as I am of the Palestinian Resistance, which is to say not supportive at all.
If that were remotely true we’d see droves of Palestinians turning themselves in to get a cushy seat in Israeli jail.
Turning themselves in for what exactly, dumb shite? For being Palestinian I guess, which in dumb shite's eyes is some sort of crime.
Guerrilla warfare is effective.
Failed incursions in Lebanon aside, Israel can't even operate in Gaza without their soldiers being in severe danger. They are taking what they can get easily because that's all they have the ability to do, but that doesn't mean that goal isn't to expand, at least for a large % of those in power.
Failed incursions in Lebanon? What has Hezbollah been doing recently? Israel was successful and they have no intentions of conquering Lebanon. You’re out of your mind.
truly deranged. and it would be humorous if it wasnt being used to justify the current liquidation of the concentration camp.
AOC’s campaign office was vandalized. But they still won’t protest Trump or Republicans lol
She literally just voted to give Israel 500million dollars to continue slaughtering infants.
I doubt your ancestors are from Cleveland (or wherever you live). Why don’t you want to move back to your homeland?I am endlessly amused at leftist doublethink, where they simultaneously argue against the whole concept of borders and nations, except when it comes to Palestinians; who are unique in all humanity in having a genetic nationalist bond to the soil that can never b
Hmm. It's Zionists, surely, who claim that unique entitlement, even though their (by this stage fairly hypothetical) ancestors left Palestine 2,000 years ago. It's true that the Palestinian wish to reclaim land lost since the 1940s or 1960s represents a vain hope. But the Palestinians are only harking back a couple of generations, not a couple of millennia. And still it's Zionists who claim, quite obviously falsely, that 'Palestinians don't exist and never did.'
And as Zionist posters here have repeatedly said over the years, the Zionist claim amounts quite openly to a simple 'Might is right,' even though the ancient right of conquest has theoretically not been recognised in international law since 1945. Zionists absolutely don't care. They have the power to kill, dispossess and occupy, and that's what they have done, are doing, and are going to keep on doing, and they have come from their actual homelands thousands of miles away just to do it.
She literally just voted to give Israel 500million dollars to continue slaughtering infants.
She voted against an amendment that took away iron dome funding for Israel, but so did many other people in congress.
It’s just more proof you guys attack the people closest to you in ideology, kind of like H3H3 podcast. They both literally call it a genocide, but it’s not enough. And still, crickets about Trump and Republicans. sad.
She voted against an amendment that took away iron dome funding for Israel, but so did many other people in congress.
right, bc Western civilization is a psychopathic genocidal endeavor.
It’s just more proof you guys attack the people closest to you in ideology
lol
kind of like H3H3 podcast.
just looked it up, the podcast run by 2 Zionists including the wife who participated in West Bank raids in the IDF?
I mean, least fascist liberal and all. you arent gonna find me celebrating the Nazis furthest from Hitler in ideology.
They both literally call it a genocide
its weird to call it a genocide and then send weapons to the people doing the genocide. I guess it would have been fine to send some air defense to the Nazis. just no Zyklon.
but I will humor you, I would prefer she doesnt call it a genocide but tries to stop sending them weapons that make it easier to slaughter children for sport and profit.
Israel is not Nazis, but I’ll bite. Even Germany was allowed to remain a country (albeit divided, but not erased from existence) while you demand that Israel be dissolved. Also we weren’t allied with the nazis and had no other way of influencing them politically after a certain point.
Also allowing missiles to be shot into Israel, from a pragmatic perspective, would just accelerate the tensions, so I don’t see it as better to take defensive capabilities away while still supplying them with arms from a pro-Hamas POV.
