President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
It's not relevant because black non college rurals and black PhD scientists vote the same way. White rurals do not vote the same as white science PhDs so their high levels of stupidity are a major issue.
Wow, Usain Bolt could not have run away from answering the question as quickly as that. LOL
The good evidence is the college data as should have been clear to even the semi literate.
My mistake, it seemed as if you were saying that because some individual Trump supporters spoke highly of tariffs and now complain about prices being too high it should be obvious that Trump supporters are stupid. But if that’s not what you were referring to as good evidence then my apologies.
I do have my doubts about whether people who go to college are actually more intelligent than the general population or if that is an expectation that no longer tracks given how many people go to college now. That data isn’t broken down particularly well enough from what I recall to even know what the average intelligence of each group is. If the 55% of college graduates that vote Kamala have a 107 IQ, and the 42% that vote Trump have a 110 IQ, I’m not sure what I would make of that data. I’m also not sure what to make of the non-college graduates that vote Democrat, which are many, and what their average IQ is.
Still all things considered if you just look at that datum it does seem to show that Kamala voters are more intelligent, but it’s in such low resolution it’s hard to put a lot of epistemic weight on just that mere observation of how college graduates tend to vote or what values they tend to have.
I mean, we could just stipulate that voting for Trump makes you stupid ipso facto and settle this debate once and for all.
chez is doing his usual thing of pretending that a tiny forum of political nerds represents the electorate.
I mean, we could just stipulate that voting for Trump makes you stupid ipso facto and settle this debate once and for all.
We’d have to stipulate some population of people. Like I imagine if we were talking about Eric Trump or Donald Trump Jr, their voting for Trump would be expected no matter what you make of their intelligence (which is probably slightly above average, maybe by .5-1 SD).
And then we just have to say that there are some groups of people that are intelligent in ways unrelated to their horrible politics, but that have more confidence in their political beliefs than they should do to their lack of domain knowledge in that area, or their overestimation of their domain knowledge (eg Eric Weinstein types).
The you just keep making iterations like that and you realize there are plenty of smart people that voted for Trump for bad reasons and kind of shrug your shoulders at the whole exercise as being a case of a conclusion looking for a set of premises rather than an honest evaluation of the data we have.
That's basically what lots of folks in this thread are doing already. It's really dumb, of course, but that doesn't stop them from doing it.
Whats dumb is to stay in the middle of a street despite seeing an 18th wheel truck coming at you at 100 miles per hour .
Then you claim it’s not stupid because their might have reasons the person didn’t move .
Beside suicide I don’t see any ….beside being stupid to think it was safe.
U dont believe in the evolution theory right ?
Go figure ….
And then we just have to say that there are some groups of people that are intelligent in ways unrelated to their horrible politics, but that have more confidence in their political beliefs than they should do to their lack of domain knowledge in that area, or their overestimation of their domain knowledge (eg Eric Weinstein types).
I'm happy to call these people stupid.
We’d have to stipulate some population of people. Like I imagine if we were talking about Eric Trump or Donald Trump Jr, their voting for Trump would be expected no matter what you make of their intelligence (which is probably slightly above average, maybe by .5-1 SD).And then we just have to say that there are some groups of people that are intelligent in ways unrelated
Let’s put it this way .
If you aren’t a millionaire, voting trump thinking he was to make life better for the bottom 60% of the population was incredibly stupid .
Like any dumb people voting red for decades and still be at the bottom of the poorest states in the US after all this time and still believing it will change !
Now they can be happy in their shitholes and it’s fine.
But I guess it’s fine for others not wanting to become a shithole like them either….
but living in shithole and blaming others after all this time and still believing it will change in the future by voting the same way for the same people with the same politics makes them clearly stupid …..
That's basically what lots of folks in this thread are doing already. It's really dumb, of course, but that doesn't stop them from doing it.
I think that what people are doing is seeing that there are just these very obvious problems with Trump that make it so that seemingly no person who is acting rationally would vote for him, and then from there deducing that the people that vote for him must be irrational, all things considered. One of the easiest ways for someone to be irrational is to be stupid.
However I just think that this definition of rationality is too restrictive to be useful.
My mistake, it seemed as if you were saying that because some individual Trump supporters spoke highly of tariffs and now complain about prices being too high it should be obvious that Trump supporters are stupid. But if that’s not what you were referring to as good evidence then my apologies.I do have my doubts about whether people who go to college are actually more int
Imho,Iq is garbage and isn’t a good metrics to evaluate success in education .
Some do great and others do terrible in college .
Hopefully u don’t base the stupidity of people actions solely on some IQ test evaluation ….
Let’s put it this way .If you aren’t a millionaire, voting trump thinking he was to make life better for the bottom 60% of the population was incredibly stupid .Like any dumb people voting red for decades and still be at the bottom of the poorest states in the US after all this time and still believing it will change !Now they can be happy in their shitholes and it’s fine.But
Usually I find that the problems in a Trump supporter’s worldview are actually even more intractable than their intelligence. It’s hard to get past someone’s contingent life circumstances that have more weight when it comes to causally determining their political beliefs than their level of intelligence ever will.
Whats dumb is to stay in the middle of a street despite seeing an 18th wheel truck coming at you at 100 miles per hour .
Then you claim it’s not stupid because their might have reasons the person didn’t move .
Beside suicide I don’t see any ….beside being stupid to think it was safe.
Cool story. I agree, staying in the street in that scenario is pretty much -EV
U dont believe in the evolution theory right ?
Go figure ….
Depends on which 'evolution theory' you're talking about.
If you mean Darwinian or neo-Darwinian evolution theories, then you're right I don't believe in those.
Imho,Iq is garbage and isn’t a good metrics to evaluate success in education .
Some do great and others do terrible in college .
Hopefully u don’t base the stupidity of people actions solely on some IQ test evaluation ….
Stupidity of someone’s actions are not identical with their own intelligence.
Replace IQ with whatever metric of intelligence you feel like. I’m not married to IQ as a concept.
Cool story. I agree, staying in the street in that scenario is pretty much -EV
Depends on which 'evolution theory' you're talking about.
If you mean Darwinian or neo-Darwinian evolution theories, then you're right I don't believe in those.
This is a good example of a much more intractable issue with reconciling worldviews than intelligence.
Plato was a very intelligent person, but he also believed in a pantheon of gods that no person in the modern era takes seriously anymore.
Of course I know that there are some that would believe you are stupid for believing this, but the disconnect may be more fundamental than that.
If you mean Darwinian or neo-Darwinian evolution theories, then you're right I don't believe in those.
looool.
You don't have to, I guess. Don't matter, they'll keep working anyway.
This is a good example of a much more intractable issue with reconciling worldviews than intelligence.Plato was a very intelligent person, but he also believed in a pantheon of gods that no person in the modern era takes seriously anymore.Of course I know that there are some that would believe you are stupid for believing this, but the disconnect may be more fundamental than th
because i suppose in his time there wasnt much alternative.
but i believe he would of trust more science then "old gods wisdown" in todays world to form an opinion.
Cool story. I agree, staying in the street in that scenario is pretty much -EV
Depends on which 'evolution theory' you're talking about.
If you mean Darwinian or neo-Darwinian evolution theories, then you're right I don't believe in those.
funny how you can see this but cant see the truckload of $h!t trump represent in this scenario.
ignorance isnt a way out to avoid stupidity
AI
Stupidity
Definition: A lack of intelligence, wit, or quickness of mind, or a failure to use available knowledge wisely.
Characteristics: Can be a refusal to learn or a poor use of judgment despite having the knowledge. It is often seen as a more difficult trait to change.
Example: Making a mistake even after being shown the correct way to do it, or refusing to learn a simple fact.
pretty much fits right in with trump....1st term -> nah trump is good....jfc.
Do you consider anecdotes to be good evidence? Because that’s what you just gave as good evidence.
Empirical evidence <> anecdotal evidence.
This should be almost the most trivially obvious observation imaginable. Yet, for some it isn't.
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That's basically what lots of folks in this thread are doing already. It's really dumb, of course, but that doesn't stop them from doing it.
It's ******ed to say, "Oh, well, I wanted this and that, but not all this other chit" when Trump's core as a person is all the other chit.
He literally showed you all that during his first term. The only thing that kept him slightly in check, if you were paying attention (which you obviously weren't), was the prospect of another term and having cabinet members who had a line they wouldn't cross.
Now with the guardrails completely off and servants as cabinet members and his mental health declining, it's as ugly as people knew it would be and you should either own that chit or stfu about it.
Cliffs: You're ******ed if you voted for him because, "I don't like gays" or "I don't like brown people" or "I don't like abortion" or whatever item that made you a single-ticket voter capable of ignoring the entire baggage of chit that came with that ticket.
Top MAGA Influencers Accidentally Unmasked as Foreign Trolls
Elon Musk’s social media site X has rolled out a new feature in an effort to increase transparency—and unwittingly revealed that many of the site’s top MAGA influencers are actually foreign actors.
The new “About This Account” feature, which became available to X users on Friday, allows others to see where an account is based, when they joined the platform, how often they have changed their username, and how they downloaded the X app.
Upon rollout, rival factions began to inspect just where their online adversaries were really based on the combative social platform—with dozens of major MAGA and right-wing influencer accounts revealed to be originating from overseas.
“This is easily one of the greatest days on this platform,” wrote Democratic influencer Harry Sisson.
“Seeing all of these MAGA accounts get exposed as foreign actors trying to destroy the United States is a complete vindication of Democrats, like myself and many on here, who have been warning about this”.
Dozens of major accounts masquerading as “America First” or “MAGA” proponents have been identified as originating in places like Russia, India, and Nigeria.
In one example, the account MAGANationX—with its nearly 400,000 followers and a bio reading “Patriot Voice for We The People”—is actually based in Eastern Europe.
‘1. It’s Donald Trump
2. Project 2025 is real
3. The promise of RFK ‘running wild on health’
4. Leon
5. The promise of weaponizing the DOJ and FBI
6. Obsession with deportations and turning ICE into a paramilitary group
7. The promise of tariffs’
Lozen: ya but other than all that, name 1 reason to vote for kamala
Plato was a very intelligent person, but he also believed in a pantheon of gods that no person in the modern era takes seriously anymore.
I would say that it is at least debatable whether Plato believed in gods at all, and he certainly doesn't seem to have believed in the gods as they were described in Greek mythology.
