Pre flop check up posts.
Pre flop check up posts.
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Pre flop check up posts.

I thought it would be helpful to start an ongoing thread where people can post pre flop situations they have questions a

20 December 2014 at 05:07 PM
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by killians4 m

So I should be opening UTG 8 handed with any suited ace

No, but I'd probably open A6s in an unraked game. In a raked game, I think it depends on the rake. Suited aces are very good hands.


by killians4 m

Thanks for feedback, here's another one

4/8 game, dynamic table. 2 bad players limp, relatively unknown ME younger guy(30s) in CO has shown alot of aggression/action play raises, I am BTN with QTs. BB is hold/cold tilty capable of 3 bet. Could wind up capped back to me.

Whats my move

3b. id 3b JTs here. it wouldnt surprise me to know that 3b J9s is correct too b/c of postflop relative position.

also, cold calling pre next to act after a PFR is generally a bad idea, even if there are limps b4. and you have way too much hand to fold.


by checkraisdraw m

I would 3bet

Ugh, I fold. That's a very marginal hand.


by chillrob m

Ugh, I fold. That's a very marginal hand.

Fold is better than cold call


You’re getting 3.5 to 1 in the best position on a cold call here. Call is better than fold.


by chillrob m

Ugh, I fold. That's a very marginal hand.

zero chance that can be correct after two bad players limp and a LAG raises when you have the button. even if a TAG raised i doubt folding is best. maybe if an OMC raised folding is ok.


Nobody ever said he was a LAG, said he is aggressive. Which for a normal 4/8 game could be simply raising 88+, KQ+, AT+


I think it’s close between 3betting and coldcalling, but both are far superior to folding.


Another Axs came up last night...4/8 game not great, some OK players and a little sleepy for a Friday.

2 early limps to me in the SB with A2s. BB is Ok player who can be aggressive post but rarely folds his BB.

With more players I think I can consider a raise? but here I just complete.


Why would more players make you more inclined to raise?


by killians4 m

Another Axs came up last night...4/8 game not great, some OK players and a little sleepy for a Friday.

2 early limps to me in the SB with A2s. BB is Ok player who can be aggressive post but rarely folds his BB.

With more players I think I can consider a raise but here I just complete.

just raise. you dont have to cbet the flop.


by killians4 m

Another Axs came up last night...4/8 game not great, some OK players and a little sleepy for a Friday.

2 early limps to me in the SB with A2s. BB is Ok player who can be aggressive post but rarely folds his BB.

With more players I think I can consider a raise but here I just complete.

I probably complete here. You’re in the worst possible position and probably won’t win UI so I’d rather see a flop and go from there.


Despite the hype, A2s is not that great as a wheel ace. I would happily complete and call a raise if bb raised.


by ninefingershuffle m

You’re getting 3.5 to 1 in the best position on a cold call here. Call is better than fold.

You have the worst relative position to the raiser. That devalues having the button quite a bit.


by killians4 m

Another Axs came up last night...4/8 game not great, some OK players and a little sleepy for a Friday.

2 early limps to me in the SB with A2s. BB is Ok player who can be aggressive post but rarely folds his BB.

With more players I think I can consider a raise but here I just complete.

I just call, regardless of number of players.


20-40 (time game), particularly solid reg opens the BTN with another reg in BB. Hero in SB with A3s?

I'm assuming we are 3-betting very linear here due to sizing constraints which is a contrast to a usually polar range in NL but unsure if that's accurate and it's hard for me to find good stuff on LHE preflop. Are we flatting small suited Aces pure here?


Pure 3


If you're playing 3b or fold out of the SB here, then these are clearly 3bet hands (don't fold!). If you have a cold call range, it's important that you have some aces, including suited aces, at some frequency. My understanding is that having a cold calling range in the SB is higher ev than not, but it might not be enough of a marginal benefit to justify complicating your preflop strategy.


by hardinthepaint m

If you're playing 3b or fold out of the SB here, then these are clearly 3bet hands (don't fold!). If you have a cold call range, it's important that you have some aces, including suited aces, at some frequency. My understanding is that having a cold calling range in the SB is higher ev than not, but it might not be enough of a marginal benefit to justify complicating your prefl

I have a cold call range here - the main thing I was trying to untangle with my NLH background is that 3-betting the blinds in NLH tends to be polar and for a larger sizing, so the wheel Aces get mixed in as a 3b bluff a decent bit. But with the limited size of the LHE 3-bet and the high likelihood you're going to play a pot against BTN, I was wondering if the 3-bet range needs to be more linear. The NLH paradigm of raising low-equity hands with high OOP EQR as a backup plan doesn't seem to apply as well in LHE.


Yes, it needs to be more linear.


by madrabbit m

I have a cold call range here - the main thing I was trying to untangle with my NLH background is that 3-betting the blinds in NLH tends to be polar and for a larger sizing, so the wheel Aces get mixed in as a 3b bluff a decent bit. But with the limited size of the LHE 3-bet and the high likelihood you're going to play a pot against BTN, I was wondering if the 3-bet range need

More linear, yes, but wheel suited aces will fall into a 3bet for value sb against button open range against normal 20/40 players.


by killians4 m

Thanks for feedback, here's another one

4/8 game, dynamic table. 2 bad players limp, relatively unknown ME younger guy(30s) in CO has shown alot of aggression/action play raises, I am BTN with QTs. BB is hold/cold tilty capable of 3 bet. Could wind up capped back to me.

Whats my move

Be careful with advice that may not apply to your game. The guy’s in here advocating for a 3 bet play in much higher limit games. When two players limp and an agro guy raises from the CO in their games they are up against wide ranges. In your game environment you may be up against significantly stronger ranges. At higher limits you can attack this weakness with post flop aggression. In your game you are much more likely to be up against a stronger condensed range that isn’t going anywhere.


by checkraisdraw m

Fold is better than cold call

Cold call is perfectly fine here and is better than fold.


Well in case it was ever in doubt, this confirms that Elway = mongidig


40/80. Three limps and SB completes. What’s the worst suited Ax you raise from the BB?

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