President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Trump hasn’t even conceded he lost any of the republicans primaries from 2016
I will never agree it was anyone else's fault but the voters that voted for him (and to an only slightly lesser extent, those that didn't vote directly for the only person with a shot of beating him). That's it. No one else deserves any blame for this.
You don't blame the chefs for not making their grilled cheese tastier when the idiots all get in the other line for the sht sandwich.
Did you read my post? What part of me saying I don't think we should have tariffs (last sentence in my post) sounds like me supporting tariffs? Explaining who all is hurt by tariffs (my 1st paragraph) seems like a shitty way to defend tariffs if that is what you think I am doing. I strongly dislike tariffs - almost as much as I dislike corporate taxes, in part because they both
He didn’t say they only affect US consumers. He said US consumers pay the tariffs.
Literally no one who dislikes tariffs says don’t hurt both sides of the trade. That’s why they suck.
He didn’t say they only affect US consumers. He said US consumers pay the tariffs.
Literally no one who dislikes tariffs says don’t hurt both sides of the trade. That’s why they suck.
I re-quoted what he said about tariffs below. He is saying US consumers paid the tariffs which implies nobody else is, which is wrong. Companies building products in another country that exports to the US are also paying for part of the tariffs as well. US companies are also paying for part of the tariff as well because they aren’t passing 100% of the extra costs they incur to the consumer.
It feels like you are using the same warped logic realtors use trying to convince a homeowner that they cost the seller nothing because the “buyer pays the realtor commission”.
I agree tariffs suck. Not as much as corporate taxes suck, but they still suck.
Trump has still refused to concede that he lost the 2020 election. He did. He won in 2016 and 2024, and he lost in 2020. But he's so incredibly ****ed up, he can't admit that FACT. That data point alone should set off alarm bells in the minds of any voter, and disqualify him from getting a single vote. Claiming the vote is rigged cuts at the fundamental legitimacy of the
In no way does Trump actually think he won 2020.
Dunno man, I'm pretty sure he believes most of his own lies are truths.
Of course he knows he lost. He’s evil, not ******ed.
He’s trying to rewrite history with all his “2020 was rigged” talk and pardoning the Jan6 felonious criminals. It’s why he’s putting his name on everything and tearing down the WhiteHouse. He’s a delusional, narcissist sociopath who requires constant praise and admiration. He wants America to be a shrine to him.
Putting someone this psychologically ****ed up in such a powerful position was a really stupid thing that Mason and others did. What terrible, terrible judgment these people have. ****ing idiots. And *******s.
It's really hard to say imo. People who are as psychotically narcissistic as Trump have a remarkable ability to reject reality if it doesn't align with their self-image as a god-king.
Being that psychotically narcissistic of course means you should be nowhere near the White House.
I don't think he even knows if he lost. He's likely never bothered to even seriously consider it because it doesn't matter at all in his mind.
Of course he knows he lost. He’s evil, not ******ed. He’s trying to rewrite history with all his “2020 was rigged” talk and pardoning the Jan6 felonious criminals. It’s why he’s putting his name on everything and tearing down the WhiteHouse. He’s a delusional, narcissist sociopath who requires constant praise and admiration. He wants America to be a shrine to him.Putting s
LOL said trump thinks he won the election. Your claim that trump thinks the election was rigged is very different than thinking he won. It is reasonable for trump to think the election was rigged, but to think he won is dumb.
He was right to pardon the jan 6th morons. The fact that we prosecuted less than 1% of people who were involved in political violence in that 12-24 month period and they all happened to be from the same party is beyond comprehension. Either we prosecute all the 1/6ers, the BLM rioters and the people who went to the supreme court justices houses to try to intimidate them or we prosecute none of them. A lot of Dem politicians went all in encouraging the BLM riots and the SC justices intimidation so they likely felt they couldn't turn their backs and prosecute them after the fact so the only move left is to forgive these 3 groups as well all of those dem politicians who encouraged violence and to a lesser extent trump.
And trumpers wonder why everyone else thinks they're the bottom of the barrel.
It is reasonable for trump to think the election was rigged, but to think he won is dumb.
How in the world would it be reasonable for Trump to think that the election was rigged?
Of course he knows he lost. He’s evil, not ******ed. He’s trying to rewrite history with all his “2020 was rigged” talk and pardoning the Jan6 felonious criminals. It’s why he’s putting his name on everything and tearing down the WhiteHouse. He’s a delusional, narcissist sociopath who requires constant praise and admiration. He wants America to be a shrine to him.Pu
Pretty strongly disagree. Trump is a very, very, very stupid person. For instance, he has no concept of metaphorical language. You may remember when, early in the first term, somebody said there "needs to be transparency" regarding the building of the border wall, and Trump went "you're right, the wall needs transparency! We need to be able to see through the wall! The criminals throw sacks of drugs over the wall, and if you can't see through it, people will get bonked on the head!"
There's no reason to think that he doesn't genuinely believe he won in 2020. I don't find him to be any more intelligent than numerous Republicans who genuinely believe 2020 was stolen.
There are a group of Democratic conspiracy theorists who believe 2024 was stolen, many of whom being KHive stans. There's no linear correlation between intelligence and conspiratorial paranoia. Some correlation, probably, but far from a linear one.
He's significantly more stupid than evil. The reverse is true for a Peter Thiel/JD Vance. Elon is somewhere in the middle. That's a big part of why I hate those guys more than I do Trump. I think the latter group would be more likely to go full Hitler, if given ultimate power, than the two-bit crook with no imagination or political project outside of self-satisfaction in Trump.
It's really hard to say imo. People who are as psychotically narcissistic as Trump have a remarkable ability to reject reality if it doesn't align with their self-image as a god-king.
Being that psychotically narcissistic of course means you should be nowhere near the White House.
Agreed. The man suffers from a known psychological condition, Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). I invite anybody to look up the symptoms of NPD. It's a bit startling how EVERY SINGLE SYMPTOM fits Donny to a T.
This is letting Trump off too easy. Stupidity isn't his main problem. He is also utterly amoral and profoundly narcissistic.
LOL said trump thinks he won the election. Your claim that trump thinks the election was rigged is very different than thinking he won. It is reasonable for trump to think the election was rigged, but to think he won is dumb. He was right to pardon the jan 6th morons. The fact that we prosecuted less than 1% of people who were involved in political violence in that 12-24 month
Let’s say there are 100 murderers and we only end up prosecuting one of them. Does it follow from that we should pardon him because it’s unfair that 99 murderers are free?
I’m not even agreeing with your analysis, I’m just pointing out that your moral intuition given I grant you everything probably doesn’t match up with most people. At least not mine.
In any case, what makes you say that people weren’t prosecuted, or that Trump didn’t have the ability to prosecute the “BLM rioters” or people that “threatened Supreme Court justices”? That’s not even what Trump argued for pardoning them, I believe his justification was that they did nothing wrong. If that’s your belief, just say that, you don’t need to dress it up in unconvincing arguments about fairness.
- A grandiose sense of self-importance.
- Fantasies about having or deserving.
- A sense of self-superiority.
- A need for excessive admiration.
- A sense of entitlement.
- Exploitative behavior.
- A lack of empathy.
- Frequent envy.
- Arrogance.
I mean, they might as well put a picture of Trump next to any article about NPD, or hell, change the name of the condition to TPD.
This shapes his behavior far more strongly than whatever his exact level of intelligence is does.
At best you could say, it was reasonable for Trump to pursue all legal avenues to investigate election rigging claims.
I recently rewatched Mad Men and there is an episode where Nixon and Kennedy are competing. The company supports Nixon and thinks that Kennedy/the Democrats rigged the election with dead voters. However, the owner of the company thinks it would be a bad look to challenge the election, even if they won, because “you don’t want to win like that”.
I disagree that if you think the election was rigged you should just roll over, but about 60 losing court cases later you should probably get the message.
I disagree that if you think the election was rigged you should just roll over, but about 60 losing court cases later you should probably get the message.
It’s more than just all the court cases he lost.
Sydney Powell is a ****ing nutjob. So is Mike Lindell. These are not serious people. They’re quacks who are very likely mentally ill. If those kinds of people are on your side, you’re ****ed. .
It’s more than just all the court cases he lost.
Sydney Powell is a ****ing nutjob. So is Mike Lindell. These are not serious people. They’re quacks who are very likely mentally ill. If those kinds of people are on your side, you’re ****ed. .
I agree regarding Powell and Lindell, but it seems like you don't understand that Trump is ALSO a mentally ill quack. I mean, just read any random "Truth" of his, and you may quickly realize your error.
I think there are two pretty cleanly delineated groups within the Trump universe of true believer morons and canny operators. Donald and his family are in the former group, the latter group is comprised of people like Thiel, Netanyahu, and various Congresspeople (various particular Congresspeople falling in either group.)
I agree 100% he is clearly a narcissist as are many leaders. I would put Justin Trudeau and Gavin Newsom in those categories as well Many powerful folks are
It’s more than just all the court cases he lost.
Sydney Powell is a ****ing nutjob. So is Mike Lindell. These are not serious people. They’re quacks who are very likely mentally ill. If those kinds of people are on your side, you’re ****ed. .
I agree. I think there were also people hoping that if he pursued enough of the election claims he would let it go. At a certain point people didn’t want to go down with the ship so he replaced them with crazier people.
You also forgot Giuliani. The Four Seasons fiasco will live in infamy.
At best you could say, it was reasonable for Trump to pursue all legal avenues to investigate election rigging claims.
I don't even think you could make this argument with a straight face.
Filing a barrage of baseless lawsuits because hey, you never know what could happen is not even arguably reasonable behavior for a sitting president. Ditto for publicly dragging decent people who didn't do anything wrong other than try to ensure an orderly election.
