President Donald Trump

President Donald Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by d2_e4

I haven't been whipped into anything. I have eyes and ears and can draw my own conclusions from what I see going on.

I was just informing you as to the origin of the slogan, in case you weren't aware. I wasn't using that as a basis for my opinion.

That's not the origin of the slogan. The origin is way older than Nazis and KKK. And it has been used by dozens of mainstreamers in both the Democrats and Republicans. It also has a meaning all by itself. It's a basic idea

You weren't informing anything, you were presenting the biased, propagandized view of someone who sees Nazis under the bed and has no perspective left.

That you boil down America First to Nazi revival shows how rotten you are in the head on this stuff. Really.


by pokerandfootlover

That's not the origin of the slogan. The origin is way older than Nazis and KKK. And it has been used by dozens of mainstreamers in both the Democrats and Republicans. It also has a meaning all by itself. It's a basic ideaYou weren't informing anything, you were presenting the biased, propagandized view of someone who sees Nazis under the bed and has no perspective left.That yo

Ok buddy, you sure sound like the reasonable, level-headed one here and I'm the one whipped into a frenzy and seeing ghosts under the bed.

Also, I edited this in after you responded:

Nevertheless, it is a fact that the Trump campaign has used Nazi iconography and Trump himself has used Nazi rhetoric in the past, and it would be rather charitable to ascribe this to a simple accident or oversight.

Peace out.


by Gorgonian

So you scoffed at it without even knowing how it was calculated. Got it.

I scoffed at it because I have serious doubts about 'calculating' something that is not subject to quantification in any straightforward way (if at all). Jeremy Benthem gave it a good shot, though. I mean, how many doughnuts would you have to eat (if you enjoyed donuts) to equal the happiness of seeing your newborn child for the first time? Benthem thought there was a way to figure that out with his Hedonic Calculus (TM Pending).

That said, I suspect folks in Germany were far and away 'happier' in 1936 under Nazism than they were ten years before that.


took less than a fortnight for Braincell to out himself as a nazi


by geezerchess

I suspect folks in Germany were far and away 'happier' in 1936 under Nazism than they were ten years before that.

you have to be sad for at least eight years after losing a world war


by Gorgonian

My guy, Luciom believed every person left of center on the planet should be rounded up and killed. And confirmed that wasn't hyperbole. You are not going to want to be calling him rational. And you are HEAVILY propagandized. To the point of absuridity.

I know it was a typo, but 'absuridity' should absolutely be a word.


by geezerchess

I scoffed at it because I have serious doubts about 'calculating' something that is not subject to quantification in any straightforward way (if at all). Jeremy Benthem gave it a good shot, though. I mean, how many doughnuts would you have to eat (if you enjoyed donuts) to equal the happiness of seeing your newborn child for the first time? Benthem thought there was a way t

Yes I know why you scoffed at it. I was just amazed you did so without even looking at how it was calculated.

And what exactly do you think your vague suspicion about Germans in the 1930s with no supporting evidence at all has to do with this topic? Do you also believe that ranking was done on evidence-less suspicions? If not, then so what?


by d2_e4

Ok buddy, you sure sound like the reasonable, level-headed one here and I'm the one whipped into a frenzy and seeing ghosts under the bed. Also, I edited this in after you responded:Nevertheless, it is a fact that the Trump campaign has used Nazi iconography and Trump himself has used Nazi rhetoric in the past, and it would be rather charitable to ascribe this to a simple accid

I mean, once you're whipped into the frenzy, it's near impossible to escape it. The socially reinforced confirmation bias does the rest. It's happened with hundreds of things throughout history.

And yes. The Trump = Nazi thing is pure hysteria. I watched the Elon Nazi salute furor with amazement from Europe, I couldn't believe what i was seeing. You guys have gone full weirdo over there, whipped into a frenzy by hysterical news anchors and online froth.

And it's not a left/right thing. I watch the right's capture by Russian propaganda and its moral failure around that with equal amazement for what it's worth. American media really does breed a nation of hyped up weirdos.


foot,

have you read Julius Evola?


by geezerchess

I know it was a typo, but 'absuridity' should absolutely be a word.

It's actually fun to say. But hey cut me a break, my phone literally hates me, or at least actively tries to sabotage my typing.


by pokerandfootlover

I mean, once you're whipped into the frenzy, it's near impossible to escape it. The socially reinforced confirmation bias does the rest. It's happened with hundreds of things throughout history. And yes. The Trump = Nazi thing is pure hysteria. I watched the Elon Nazi salute furor with amazement from Europe, I couldn't believe what i was seeing. You guys have gone full weirdo o

As I say bud, you're the only sane one, it's the rest of us that are crazy. Story checks out.


Russia exploits the same Nazi messaging by the way. Most of Russia is convinced Ukraine is full of Nazis, despite Ukraine having the least Nazi support in all of Europe. It's easy to do - once you put the idea in people's heads, confirmation bias does the rest, and little details like the president being an out and proud Jew, or the lowest far right vote in all of Europe, makes no difference. They'll see a tattoo on one soldier, or hand gesture from Zelensky, and go Aha! Nazis!

Seeing American captured by the same propaganda and hysteria is pretty weird.


by Gorgonian

Just to show you how absurdly out of touch with reality you are: I've never ONCE asserted anything positive about communist on this forum or elsewhere, and yet you went out of your way to call it mine.

And you truly believe you are being rational. You are not a serious person.

Anyone who thinks you a commie is several fries short of a Happy Meal(TM).


by pokerandfootlover

You seem to live your life in a rather upset state. Relax, take a breath, see a viewpoint other than your own

That's the norm for most lefties in this forum. You'll have to get used to it to survive here.


by pokerandfootlover

Russia exploits the same Nazi messaging by the way. Most of Russia is convinced Ukraine is full of Nazis, despite Ukraine having the least Nazi support in all of Europe. It's easy to do - once you put the idea in people's heads, confirmation bias does the rest, and little details like the president being an out and proud Jew, or the lowest far right vote in all of Europe, makes

Right. Any coverage calling any administration fascist or authoritarian is always propaganda, regardless of the source or the target of the coverage. Russian coverage of fascists in Ukraine is propaganda, ergo any coverage calling Trump fascist or authoritarian is also propaganda. Solid logic, bruh.


by d2_e4

Do you genuinely believe that Trump would have had any popular support had he run as a democrat 20 years ago? If so, you are completely deluded as to who Trump is and, more importantly, what he represents to the grassroots republicans who support him."America First" is a slogan that was used by the KKK and American Nazis in the 1920s and 1930s, in case you weren't aware. Trump

And Trump essentially revived it from two-time Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan.


by Gorgonian

Don't fing worry about it loser. Just turn newsmax back on and keep it wet.

Fun watching you help prove pokerfooty correct in his view that lefties get their panties in a wad at the drop of a hat. (If you'll pardon the mixed metaphors)


by amplify

deepest, darkest hole in reeducation camp

This is worse than anything this poker foot lover guy has posted


by geezerchess

Fun watching you help prove pokerfooty correct in his view that lefties get their panties in a wad at the drop of a hat. (If you'll pardon the mixed metaphors)

I will never, ever care whether you guys think me being upset at fascists taking over my country is somehow bad. You're damn right I'm pissed and I stopped putting up with it a long time ago. Spoiler: I'm going to be pretty pissy until this administration is out and forgotten. If you don't like it, you got exactly one option. And if you think you're somehow scoring internet points because I'm pissed, then charge the scoreboard batteries baby.


by geezerchess

Fun watching you help prove pokerfooty correct in his view that lefties get their panties in a wad at the drop of a hat. (If you'll pardon the mixed metaphors)

both sartorial metaphors, it works for me


by checkraisdraw

This is worse than anything this poker foot lover guy has posted

yes

he hasn’t posted all his views yet


by amplify

you have to be sad for at least eight years after losing a world war

True. When you've been given full blame for the The Great War it took a while to Make Germany Happy Again.


by geezerchess

That said, I suspect folks in Germany were far and away 'happier' in 1936 under Nazism than they were ten years before that.

What was their Happiness Score?


by Gorgonian

Yes I know why you scoffed at it. I was just amazed you did so without even looking at how it was calculated.

And what exactly do you think your vague suspicion about Germans in the 1930s with no supporting evidence at all has to do with this topic? Do you also believe that ranking was done on evidence-less suspicions? If not, then so what?

I saw the rating system on their website. But their system doesn't obviate the problems with such a survey that I pointed out.

So, is Israel REALLY the eighth happiest country? I thought sure it was only tenth. Or maybe seventh? I dunno, and I suspect nobody else does either.

Anyhoo, since you're the one who brought the Happiness Index into the conversation, could you please explain to us why we should believe anything it says? Thanks!


by Didace

What was their Happiness Score?

Probably closer 0 than 100. But who knows?

[strike]Hard[/strike] Impossible to quantify the unquantifiable. At the very least it would assume an agreed upon definition of happiness, which itself is almost certainly elusive.

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