Donald J. Trump (For everyone else)
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
and have you seen the devastated faces of the hundreds of girls that have to compete against them and get demolished, and share changerooms with them?
if it's only 10, maybe chalk it up as a nothingburger and don't fight so hard and take ridiculous positions to 'protect' 10 people. maybe protect the hundreds of people?
I personally think its ****ing absurd that someone like Riley Gaines can lose to 4 cis women, tie with a trans person, and make a career out of grifting that one singular race
She still would have gotten 5th if Lia wasn't there
I think the evidence shows that the rules about trans athletes having to go through a time frame of transitioning with follow up testing is protection enough.
But ultimately, out side of the principle, it doesn't affect me at all if trans people can play in college sports or not. Just like it doesn't affect you or 99.99% of the population
I'll argue with you guys about anything but that doesn't mean I'm out there campaigning
Nobody knows, but one side decided to draw a line at saying it's probably a bad idea to allow it.
Prominent dems could've just come right out and made it abundantly clear that they're not going to support mutilating minors who cannot consent, and men beating up women in sports. Instead, the most visible one of them all tried to straddle the fence going into the election.
"Do you think we should be paying for sex changes for illegal immigrants currently in federal custody using taxpayer dollars?"
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keep pretending you stand for small government and civil liberties while asking the federal government to focus on heavy handed policies around sporting organizations and complex medical situations
Elon is like "you don't get social security and we're going to crush unions....but hey...do you want 11 year olds having their penises destroyed by surgery? I can tell you from experience, it's not fun."
I'm sympathetic to the idea that a transgender athlete could have an unfair advantage in women's sports.
That would be at any stage after the age of 11 or 12 at the latest.
I have a daughter... I have zero concern that any opportunities she might have to play in college will be usurped by a transgender athlete.
That's nice for you. Tell it to the women who were forced to concede wins to Lia Thomas, and threatened with expulsion by their colleges if they objected to conceding those wins, or to sharing a locker room with Thomas (whose locker-room behaviour gave women some cause for concern).
Can you name the people in this thread that are "fighting so hard and taking this ridiculous position?" We are literally making the point that this is a nothingburger. Conservatives are making it their entire platform. I'm glad you now agree that that's ridiculous.
If it's a nothing burger, why do you fight so hard for it?
Watching this clip really highlights the stupidity. How would you know if you had "made" a mouse transgender? As far as I know, we are still unable to talk to mice about gender identity.
Somebody either didn't know what 'transgenic' means, or pretended not to know because polling showed that the issue played well against the weird bourgeois identitarian thing that the US has instead of a left.
Nobody knows, but one side decided to draw a line at saying it's probably a bad idea to allow it.
Prominent dems could've just come right out and made it abundantly clear that they're not going to support mutilating minors who cannot consent, and men beating up women in sports. Instead, the most visible one of them all tried to straddle the fence going into the election.
"Do you think we should be paying for sex changes for illegal immigrants currently in federal custody using taxpayer dollars?"
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No... one side decided to protect a vulnerable group, the other side predictably went full transphobic.
Should we re-visit the 80's for you on gay rights issues, and the right's views on this?
As I said above, the lefts first instinct (and I personally think it's a good one), it to protect marginalized groups. When you do that, a WHOLE host of other nuanced issues can arise. What about x? What about z? What about... and so on.
You do realize that people getting their penis removed, or any kind of gender-affirming care existed before Trump, right? Did you care about it that much before? Be honest.
The rights first instinct is... punch down.
The left... protect.
And now as people realize the potential issues that can arise from this situation, adjustments are being made. Most international and NCAA sports organizations have altered there rules and walked many back. Everyone is trying to make fair adjustments. Like I said, you're not going to get it all correct the first time.
This REALLY is a non-issue and doesn't proportionally affect people's lives in terms of energy spent on it. Does anyone here really disagree with that?
That would be at any stage after the age of 11 or 12 at the latest.
That's nice for you. Tell it to the women who were forced to concede wins to Lia Thomas, and threatened with expulsion by their colleges if they objected to conceding those wins, or to sharing a locker room with Thomas (whose locker-room behaviour gave women some cause for concern).
You know I agree with you that this is an issue that needs real consideration. Genetic advantages are present across all competition in sports but we do need some sort of "level" playing field especially for the sanctity of women's sports. I do not agree that the handful of examples warrant being a top issue of a presidential campaign or should be a federally legislated discussion.
Nobody knows, but one side decided to draw a line at saying it's probably a bad idea to allow it.
Prominent dems could've just come right out and made it abundantly clear that they're not going to support mutilating minors who cannot consent, and men beating up women in sports. Instead, the most visible one of them all tried to straddle the fence going into the election.
"Do you think we should be paying for sex changes for illegal immigrants currently in federal custody using taxpayer dollars?"
"
Nobody is "pandering"
You just have this white victim complex that makes you lash out when minority classes get protection from bullies.
In 2016 North Carolina passed the first anti-trans bill and the public outcry was vehemently against it.
Since then, your side has pushed endless amounts of propaganda. Everything from "transism is a social disease" to "pink haired libtard teachers are performing unapproved transition surgeries on your child during school"
The propaganda is so pervasive that yall are about to dismantle the department of education, which funnels billions of dollars from rich liberal states to poor conservative states with atrocious education statistics
I dunno how to express how thoroughly damaging this all is to Republicans simply because you have an irrational hatred for trans people
You know I agree with you that this is an issue that needs real consideration. Genetic advantages are present across all competition in sports but we do need some sort of "level" playing field especially for the sanctity of women's sports. I do not agree that the handful of examples warrant being a top issue of a presidential campaign or should be a federally legislated discussion.
Exactly... and this is exactly where this all landing. People are trying to work out what is fair in real time, and mistakes will be made. But the people on the right in this thread, just won't admit this a manufactured outrage wedge issue, that they've been manipulated into caring about. And they won't even ask, why the right has done that. Shouldn't they be focused on how to improve the working class in America? Wasn't that why Trump was elected... he could fix it all on day one?
Chat GTP pro answer on current status of trans women in sports:
Current Landscape of Trans Women in Women's Sports
Olympics & International Sports (e.g., IOC)
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) no longer has a universal testosterone threshold but allows individual sports federations to set their own rules.
Many federations have imposed stricter rules in recent years, often barring trans women who went through male puberty from competing in the female category.
Major Sporting Federations
World Athletics (Track & Field): Bans trans women who have gone through male puberty.
World Aquatics (Swimming, formerly FINA): Effectively bans trans women from elite women’s competition unless they transitioned before age 12.
Cycling (UCI): Implemented a rule requiring trans women to wait two years after lowering testosterone levels before competing in women’s events.
Rugby (World Rugby, RFU): Has barred trans women from competing in elite women’s rugby due to safety concerns.
NCAA & U.S. College Sports
The NCAA (college sports in the U.S.) has adopted a case-by-case approach, aligning with the policies of national and international sports bodies.
Some sports, like swimming, have imposed strict testosterone limits similar to World Aquatics.
High School & Youth Sports
In the U.S., policies vary by state:
Some states (like California & New York) allow trans women to compete in women's sports with few restrictions.
Others (like Texas & Florida) require athletes to compete based on their sex assigned at birth.
As of 2024, over 20 U.S. states have passed laws restricting trans athletes' participation in women's and girls' sports.
Professional Leagues (WNBA, FIFA, etc.)
Most major professional women’s sports leagues do not have many openly trans women competing, and their policies remain vague or restrictive.
FIFA (soccer) is still reviewing its policy and has not issued a definitive stance.
Conclusion
At the elite level, most major sports have restricted trans women’s participation in women’s categories, especially for those who went through male puberty.
At the amateur and high school levels, rules vary, with some states allowing full inclusion and others banning trans athletes.
The debate remains ongoing, with arguments over fairness, biology, and inclusivity continuing to shape policies.
Sports are not great. Fine for kids, rec leagues and pick up games, but definitely not great.
Also, describing this interaction:
"Do you think we should be paying for sex changes for illegal immigrants currently in federal custody using taxpayer dollars?"
"I'm going to follow the law."
"Is that a yes or a no?"
"I'm going to follow the law."
as "dying on a hill" is absolutely ****ing wild
But there was a song in some movie that none of us saw.
Grown ass men spending all day in a thread about how terrible Trump is complaining about Trump voters talking about Trump.
Don’t think there’s a single anti Trump poster here who’s history in this forum doesn’t go back to before Trump entered politics. You think it’s weird that a US based politics forum has a thread about the US president lol. I do think one side is showing the lack of mental facilities and clear thinking typically associated with people in cults or the just plain stupid.
keep pretending you stand for small government and civil liberties while asking the federal government to focus on heavy handed policies around sporting organizations and complex medical situations
If by heavy-handed policies, you mean simply refusing to contribute any tax dollars toward people and organizations with insane ideas, then I suppose I do.
I wish I could capture all insane ideas in this net, but it just so happened that children's sex reassignments and girls being abused by boys in youth sports was the hot topic of the day and got the most attention recently.
Some problems are tricky to properly identify and isolate for potential solutions. These two things are not examples of that. Only a proper fool thinks you should be indulging in the harmful fancies of highly impressionable children, or allowing physically superior males to dominate and injure weaker females in physical sports. These are wholly indefensible concepts, but because it got turned into a political football in a country where there are only two parties, one side has found themselves defending it.
The government should be small and should encourage people to live life the way they see fit, but if we're going to be in the business of picking winning and losing ideas at the federal level, it makes perfect sense to put those two big losers above in the DO NOT WANT pile.
I'm a giant IRL and I had genetic cheat codes in youth sports. As it was, I had opposing coaches demanding to see my birth certificate because I towered over my same-age peers of the same gender. If I had been allowed to play on the girl's team, I'd have left a pile of injuries in my wake. The last thing you want is a bunch of socially awkward genetic freak little Inso0s out there bowling over your daughters on the field, or hitting your little girl on the pitching mound with a line drive softball to the face. Enshrine it as okay in the rulebook, and it's just a matter of time before you see an uptick in life-altering injuries.
Well ****, I didn't realize genetic freaks were transitioning solely to beat up little girls on the soccer field.
Hard to argue when you frame your argument as a fantasy
3 threads actually
Donald J. Trump (For everyone else)
President Donald J. Trump (for Trumper supporters)
President Elon Musk
Yes Trumpers complained that they didn’t have a safe space. Didn’t happen in 8 years of Obama because he wasn’t a cult leader and there were reasonably intelligent people that could defend his policies without getting emotional or feel like criticism of a US president was somehow a mental disorder.
Never once fought for it at all. Quick, what's my position on allowing transgender women to participate in women's sports? If I've fought so hard for it, it must be easy to tell us, right?
For some reason, you often tell a person to explain to us when you ask them something - and I don't think you have split personalities.
Your opinion is going to be different than another lib's opinion, and anyone else's on this topic and only you asked him to tell you. Yes, the shitlibs love to do that but not everyone thinks the same no matter how hard you try.
