Israel/Palestine thread
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Prove it. There are a ton of cites in this thread about aid being blocked. We've seen the pictures of skeletons. That's the situation, until proven otherwise.
Here’s the situation by the numbers.
https://gaza-aid-data.gov.il/main/#:~:te....
Will follow up with more in depth citation later but nearly one million tons of aid delivered over the course of the war isn’t a small portion.
"I have seen pictures of skeletons" should go in the conspiracy thread tbh
Here’s the situation by the numbers.
https://gaza-aid-data.gov.il/main/#:~:te....
Will follow up with more in depth citation later but nearly one million tons of aid delivered over the course of the war isn’t a small portion.
With all due respect, 1 million tons is less than half a ton per person over almost a year. Something like 40-50kg a month is incredibly little to live on. To give you a little perspective, even if all of that weight is in rice, and nothing else, we're looking at 40k-50k calories in a month, which is well below ~2000/day required.
And for obvious reasons aid isn't going to be all just rice and food.
thousands of people are just lying. including Westerners. all the pictures are fake.
unfortunately we are not allowed to make comparisons bc I am pretty sure i have read the same defense of other places where people had been penned up and starving.
With all due respect, 1 million tons is less than half a ton per person over almost a year. Something like 40-50kg a month is incredibly little to live on. To give you a little perspective, even if all of that weight is in rice, and nothing else, we're looking at 40k-50k calories in a month, which is well below ~2000/day required.
And for obvious reasons aid isn't going to be all just rice and food.
where are you getting that 1kg of food = 1k calories?
Same source as above.
Which reasons do I have to believe that 1) the photo was a current (in June 2024) photo from Palestine and/or 2) that girl doesn't have a disease that gives her that condition orthogonal to purported lack of enough food and/or 3) that girl hasn't been starved by Hamas on purpose for the photo op?
Do you realize we do not believe, and expect any kind of malfeasance without limit from, any source which isn't pro Israel about anything happening in the area?
the pediatric department of Kamal Adwan Hospital, located in the northern part of the Palestinian enclave, has recorded the deaths of 37 children from malnutrition and dehydration.
At Nasser Hospital, located further south in the Gaza Strip, in Khan Younis, three children have died since May, due to malnutrition. "A 6-year-old boy and two girls, one aged 1 year and the other 6 months," explained Ahmed Al-Farra, a doctor from Gaza. "The 6-month-old was called Toline. She was hospitalized several times, but the last time, on August 23, we couldn't save her."
Which reasons do I have to believe that 1) the photo was a current (in June 2024) photo from Palestine and/or 2) that girl doesn't have a disease that gives her that condition orthogonal to purported lack of enough food and/or 3) that girl hasn't been starved by Hamas on purpose for the photo op?
Do you realize we do not believe, and expect any kind of malfeasance without limit from, any source which isn't pro Israel about anything happening in the area?
Even if 90/100 are fake, you’re ok with letting the other 10 die?
i mean, he's obviously fine with it if 100/100 are real
I am not ok with Hamas causing the death of Palestinian kids no, not at all.
Especially if they starve them by withholding food because they sell it to buy weapons, or because the family of the kid doesn't support Hamas.
Are you?
Hamas should surrender unconditionally to stop all of this, they could at any time, if they don't it is all on them, every death, every suffering, everything you claim you want to stop.
Israel has a full moral right to keep the war ongoing to eradicate Hamas once and forever, Hamas has no right to exist and should cease to exist.
37 children dead from starvation is horrible, but we're talking about over the course of a year long war (which was a just war). Over a 3 year time span from 2016-2018, 85,000 children were estimated to have died. Even on a per capita basis, Gaza doesn't come anywhere near that.
The UN estimates that the war has caused an estimated 130,000 deaths from indirect causes which include lack of food, health services, and infrastructure as of December 2020.[11] In 2018, Save the Children estimated that 85,000 children have died due to starvation in the three years prior.[12][13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_....
Again I don't know how many times I have to restate this in this thread, but the war is caused by Hamas and continued by Hamas. Israel has done everything in its power to work with Western allies to ensure that refugees are supported humanely. They even proposed evacuating civilians out of Gaza into Egypt which for some reason was condemned by Western left-wing extremists as an ethnic cleansing, despite them not saying anything about Ukranian refugees who also had to flee their country. Maybe Hamas shouldn't force their civilian population to hang out in a war zone so they can score their disgusting optical victory in the eyes of well-meaning but ultimately naive Westerners who are easily manipulated.
Also I know you guys love using twitter as a source so here is a long write up on how many calories are making their way into Palestine with a helpful graph showing how it has changed over the course of the war.
1 cal per gram of cooked rice. You could get ~4 cal per grain of uncooked but you can't just ship rice either in that case. Water is zero cal and is quite heavy.
We're looking at starvation, at least the edge of it, even with very charitable interpretations of aid allowed through.
You're better off arguing Hamas is making aid far more difficult to distribute than necessary.
Israel could have and should have done more. They could make Gazans consume cooked meals on the spot (to ensure Hamas doesn't get any and/or dare them to attack) and feed way more people than they actually did.
lol bro is gonna really act like he opposed the Yemen extermination campaign.
I think 100 years from now we will be able to look back and realize that you both had a lot of starving people in gaza and that almost all of the pics published were either too deceptive to make the connection or outright fake. Its the same with the Ukraine war. Moat barely pass the minimum requirements to fool someone with zero understanding in photography while others fail to reach that bar. But none of that reaaly changes what actually is happening - it's just more opportunity for people who pay the bills doing these things.
Everything that is happening today stems from the Arabs threat to kill all of the Jews. This is why the Israelis build settlements. This is why they probably will start relocating in Gaza again. They cant have a neighbor who will be firing rockets at them whether it is Gaza or the West Bank. Many do this because they think it's Gods will. Many do it because they believe it's the only way a Jewish state can stay safe. I think long term the "Palestinian" people will have to relocate. It's an awful existence but they have brought this upon themselves.
Posting stuff like this is pathetic. It will never diminish what Hamas did on October 7th.
1 cal per gram of cooked rice. You could get ~4 cal per grain of uncooked but you can't just ship rice either in that case. Water is zero cal and is quite heavy.
We're looking at starvation, at least the edge of it, even with very charitable interpretations of aid allowed through.
You're better off arguing Hamas is making aid far more difficult to distribute than necessary.
Israel could have and should have done more. They could make Gazans consume cooked meals on the spot (to ensure Hamas doesn't
Gotchya. So we also have healthy fats, proteins, shelf-stable products.
Here are the estimates kcal per capita per day for four months in 2024
January (31 days) February(28 days) March(31 days) April(30 days) Total Nutrients (120 days)
Average kcal per capita per day 3,101 (Jan) 1,949 (Feb) 3,510 (Mar) 4,844 (April) 3,374 (Total)
Note that these calculations include a standardization for the weight of the container. One container includes in it a much more balanced diet than what you are stating, yes including some rice but also health fats, protein, and shelf-stable items.
https://assets-eu.researchsquare.com/fil...
February was a relatively bad month, but it was also an outlier. For the most part, the amount of food being brought in is massive for a wartime situation, and the Israeli government has been allowing in an adequate supply of food.
Note this study does point out that the food coming in is obviously not the only problem. We also have to make sure that the food is being distributed properly. But if we pretend the problem is that Israel is "starving" Gaza we're going to come to some seriously flawed conclusions about what the issues are regarding humanitarian aid.
Everything that is happening today stems from the Arabs threat to kill all of the Jews. This is why the Israelis build settlements. This is why they probably will start relocating in Gaza again. They cant have a neighbor who will be firing rockets at them whether it is Gaza or the West Bank. Many do this because they think it's Gods will. Many do it because they believe it's the only way a Jewish state can stay safe. I think long term the "Palestinian" people will have to relocate. It's an awful
The settlements are absolutely inexcusable and do nothing but damage to the Israeli cause.
I think 100 years from now we will be able to look back and realize that you both had a lot of starving people in gaza and that almost all of the pics published were either too deceptive to make the connection or outright fake. Its the same with the Ukraine war. Moat barely pass the minimum requirements to fool someone with zero understanding in photography while others fail to reach that bar. But none of that reaaly changes what actually is happening - it's just more opportunity for people w
Do you think that even if this photo is fake, this is happening for real in ten other places ?
