Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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there are probably a lot of reasons why micro is not SoS, but one of the main ones is that he is not a psychopathic murderer which seems to be a prerequisite.
or I could link Hillary's smile at hearing Ghaddafi was sodomized to death. or Blinken fiddling "Keep on Rocking in the Free World" while Ukraine and Gaza burn.
hmm, all under Dem presidents. makes you think. well no, it makes me think, probably not others.
I prefer to stick with the real world and none of those accusations are accurate. those are hypothetical fantasies to justify a real life genocide and I am trying to learn to not answer bullshit loaded questions.
This answer makes me assume that you absolutely do believe that no tactics are wrong whatsoever, there are only bad targets. Most people would easily answer “of course not”, that you can’t is quite damning.
there are probably a lot of reasons why micro is not SoS, but one of the main ones is that he is not a psychopathic murder which seems to be a prerequisite.
I was thinking about listing all the SoS in my lifetime and saying something about how of course and thank goodness I'm not SoS material.
hmm, all under Dem presidents. makes you think. well no, it makes me think, probably not others.
You are right, but Pompeo, Tillerson, Rice, Powell, Baker, Shultz, Haig, and Kissinger were all atrocious as well - they are just expected to be atrocious.
I mean, you're still right because you were probably thinking "makes you think - they're all the same".
This answer makes me assume that you absolutely do believe that no tactics are wrong whatsoever, there are only bad targets. Most people would easily answer “of course not”, that you can’t is quite damning.
why speak on hypotheticals that are not based in reality? it gives them oxygen.
the fact that you still support Israel despite their plausible genocide and alleged war of extermination and rape torture camps is quite damning. those are real things that are happening.
ofc if Palestinians were acting like Israelis then I would not personally agree with their actions. but again, I am not going to condemn Mandela, Che, Louverture, John Brown, Nat Turner, Tecumseh.
we can speculate all day on why she couldnt leave, but blaming Hamas and the Palestinian people is very likely disinfo atrocity propaganda.
You are right that we should not judge a society that holds sex slaves, nor should we view it as a positive when a foreign country comes in to assist in her rescue.
Clearly Hamas are the good guys in this story and Israel the bad guys. Thank you for providing moral clarity.
You are right that we should not judge a society that holds sex slaves, nor should we view it as a positive when a foreign country comes in to assist in her rescue.
Clearly Hamas are the good guys in this story and Israel the bad guys. Thank you for providing moral clarity.
have you ever read anything about sex slaves in the USA and UK and Israel? like, like, I dont think you want to go down that road if you are a defender of Western civilization.
why speak on hypotheticals that are not based in reality? it gives them oxygen.the fact that you still support Israel despite their plausible genocide and alleged war of extermination and rape torture camps is quite damning. those are real things that are happening. ofc if Palestinians were acting like Israelis then I would not personally agree with their actions. but again
Well you tested me on hypotheticals earlier in this thread and I answered them. You asked me earlier in the thread if I consider certain things to be valid targets, like if Netanyahu was using a civilian building as a military outpost I said it would be a legitimate military target. So I absolutely don’t believe you when you said that you don’t care about hypotheticals.
But ok good you gave some examples of people you support. So when you say that Israel is engaging in things that are internationally considered war crimes is bad because they are bad on principle, you are misstating your actual position. Anything that Israel has done is completely on the table in your worldview, you just think Israel is not morally justified in carrying out this campaign. Which maybe that is the right moral position to take, but let’s not sit here and pretend that “oh I see violence happening that’s inherently bad violence is bad guys”. You don’t actually think that.
As for my support of Israel, I think Israel has a right to exist, they have a right to fight for their survival when being attacked on all sides, and they have tried as much as possible to minimize casualties from starvation, to get fuel medical supplies and water to war refugees, and they tend to target only that civilian infrastructure which is being used to further Hamas. Civilians die in war, but they should not be targeted deliberately. Where deliberate targeting is happening, the IDF should work to hold those responsible to justice.
In the interests of lasting peace I think great compromise needs to happen after the war, including Israel giving up the settlements and Palestine giving up on the right of return.
Well you tested me on hypotheticals earlier in this thread and I answered them. You asked me earlier in the thread if I consider certain things to be valid targets, like if Netanyahu was using a civilian building as a military outpost I said it would be a legitimate military target. So I absolutely don’t believe you when you said that you don’t care about hypotheticals.But ok g
You are overthinking things. He just wants Israel destroyed by any means necessary, and unconditionally supports the actors trying to do this.
The end.
Well you tested me on hypotheticals earlier in this thread and I answered them. You asked me earlier in the thread if I consider certain things to be valid targets, like if Netanyahu was using a civilian building as a military outpost I said it would be a legitimate military target. So I absolutely don’t believe you when you said that you don’t care about hypotheticals.But ok g
Israel is never giving up on the settlements. its their reason for existence. its the defining principle of their ideology.
the rest of your post is just the typical gish-gallop telling me to not believe my lying eyes. civilians arent "dying in war". they are being deliberately murdered by a genocidal regime clearly intent on conquest and collective revenge.
You are overthinking things. He just wants Israel destroyed by any means necessary, and unconditionally supports the actors trying to do this.
The end.
yes I unequivocally support the political and to some extent the ideological dismantlement of any countries that commit genocide. be them Japan, China, USA, Cambodia, Australia, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Serbia, Congo, or even yes, despite their Jewishness, Israel. I dont consider Jewish people to be any worse or better than others. I understand that such a viewpoint is considered antisemitism in this day and age.
by any means necessary tho? well no ofc not. but the extent of the means that I would support expands a lot during an active genocide.
I thought you were going to stop reading anything I said. I guess you're a liar. I guess I can stop believing anything you say.
Wrote 2 posts. Didn't realize the first didn't send. Bye.
you have posted this disinfo a few times now. I actually looked it up when BGP originally posted the atrocity propaganda.
Here is what I posted, please stop trying to misrepresent things:
the reuters article is textbook atrocity propaganda and manufacturing consent for the Gaza plausible genocide.
yes it definitely a conspiracy theory that Western press has engaged in a campaign of dehumanization of Muslims and Palestinians for decades and infinitely ramped it up it up in the last year.
this thread is full of people repeatedly claiming without any credible evidence that these heathen Gazans are rapists while any pushback is moderated intensely. and now we get an article that deftly smears the Gazans with the same sort of "savage at the gates ready to rape women" atrocity propaganda that has been utilized for 100s of years in the West to justify and incite extermination if anyone has read any history on the Native Americans and antebellum chattel slaves.
You are in no way moderated intensely. You are given more leeway than anyone else to the point that this entire subforum needs to adapt to post around you. You are currently emotionally lashing out without stating anything verifiable or factual. If you think a part of the Reuters article is propaganda then point it out and explain how.
There is no grand conspiracy to dehumanize Muslims that Reuters is taking part in. That belongs here:
There are Gazans who have raped people, that is a fact. If people use that to dehumanize all Gazans or even all Muslims then that's another story, but it doesn't occur in the article.
yes it definitely a conspiracy theory that Western press has engaged in a campaign of dehumanization of Muslims and Palestinians for decades and infinitely ramped it up it up in the last year. this thread is full of people repeatedly claiming without any credible evidence that these heathen Gazans are rapists while any pushback is moderated intensely. and now we get an articl
I guess nobody should ever report on the activities of the numerous islamic terrorist groups or human rights abuses in muslim countries for fear that someone might take that to mean that all muslims are bad. Because in victor’s paradigm no minority is ever capable of doing anything wrong. Thank god for white saviors like victor!
I am repeatedly called "genocide vic" and people make fun of me when there are atrocities committed against Palestinians bc they know that seeing kids die upsets me.
dont get me wrong, I am not victim in this (those are the people whos families are being burned alive or buried alive or raped to death in Israeli jail), but all you need to do is read the last few pages to see how much I am attacked and if I ever made any such post addressed at the people who actually do support the atrocities committed by the West against the Palestinians then I would be banned in a hurry. in fact, the entire forum is waiting for me to post like gs, or Dun, or rafki, so they can get their satisfaction. but I wont sink to that level, mainly bc I dont think like you guys.
I guess nobody should ever report on the activities of the numerous islamic terrorist groups or human rights abuses in muslim countries for fear that someone might take that to mean that all muslims are bad. Because in victor’s paradigm no minority is ever capable of doing anything wrong. Thank god for white saviors like victor!
how long would I get banned for calling someone a "white savior" BGP?
I don't believe you. You're a liar after all.
to be clear, I am fine with those attacks so long as I am able to respond in kind and tell them all about themselves.
Israel is never giving up on the settlements. its their reason for existence. its the defining principle of their ideology.
Israel is the one constantly giving up land for peace. It was only 20 years ago that they abandoned 21 settlements in Gaza and 4 settlements in the West Bank. Your alternative history doesn’t comport with the facts, which is that Palestinians are the ones that haven’t been able to stop constantly attacking Israel whenever one of their billionaire oligarchs that run the country with an iron fist gets bored.
the rest of your post is just the typical gish-gallop telling me to not believe my lying eyes. civilians arent "dying in war". they are being deliberately murdered by a genocidal regime clearly intent on conquest and collective revenge.
This would hit so much harder if you weren’t cheering on Putin’s campaign against Ukraine.
