Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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The stories about hidden vaults of gold under a hospital were so completely bonkers that I kinda thought there had to be a ring of truth to them. Nope, just more completely unhinged lies to justify a terror attack on a major hospital.
The stories about hidden vaults of gold under a hospital were so completely bonkers that I kinda thought there had to be a ring of truth to them. Nope, just more completely unhinged lies to justify a terror attack on a major hospital.
The levels of bad faith bias in this post are wild beyond comprehension. First British media does a fake tour in the wrong place to "disprove" the bunker story. Then a "terror attack on a major hospital" narrative has completely been fabricated out of thin air.
FWIW, it is hard (at least if you are a bad faith actor coming into the story with extreme anti Israel and pro Hezbollah bias) because media themselves are bad faith and intentionally muddle the stories; but what happened is:
1. Israel declares a hospital has a bunker underneath it. There is no attack on that hospital or anywhere near it.
2. A Hezbollah base near a different hospital is attacked, and the hospital itself sustains no damage; but through bad faith, journalistic malfeasance, and tremendous anti Israel bias the 2 stories get twisted and merged into "terror attack on a major hospital"
--Again, if possible step back and ask yourself who you are actually helping by lying to prop up Hezbollah. I get it makes you feel better, and at the end of the day this may be all that matters, but you certainly are not helping the people of Palestine, Israel or Lebanon by doing this.
Hospitals and schools are always the IDF's first target, why would you ever hide war materiel and gold bars under one? The lies just don't even make basic sense any more.
Victor doesn’t want you to know that many of the stories he has been putting out there may have been sourced directly from Hamas operatives moonlighting as journalists. Or is it journalists moonlighting as Hamas operatives?
first of all, I have no problem citing Hamas. they are much more honest than the Western press.
second of all, Israel is lying like always.
third of all, even if these guys are Hamas that doesnt give USA and Israel the right to murder them (and their families and neighbors).
first of all, I have no problem citing Hamas. they are much more honest than the Western press.
second of all, Israel is lying like always.
third of all, even if these guys are Hamas that doesnt give USA and Israel the right to murder them (and their families and neighbors).
They allegedly are using one of the most famous non-Israeli Middle Eastern publications to potentially spread blood libel about Israel, which is then repeated by Western Media, and you have no problem with that? You realize that if a portion of the people that are being reported as teachers, doctors, and journalists are secretly military or command members of Hamas (not merely political operatives) then this would cast doubt on many of the reports you rely on, right? We’re talking about SECRETLY, not openly. You relying on certain Hamas sources that are openly Hamas is not the same as Hamas operatives lying about their militant status by spreading propaganda to the West.
And given I come here and you start talking about Israel “putting a hit on journalists” I’m sure you do realize the significance of what’s going on here.
Remember that video of a small child lying prostate after being droned, and a group rushed to his help only to find themselves also targetted by the IDF?
And the usual suspects here pooh-poohed it as fake news?
Well
why not just post the article? why is it always a random twitter post with you guys?
literally the first thing I googled and it came up
yesterday I did post the Wapo article on the same subject and even linked the archive to get around the block.
Oh please let me google that for you, sir:Times Of Israel
Seems bad and should be investigated. Separately from that, I do wonder though:
Earlier this month, the IDF ordered the evacuation of Jabaliya and surrounding towns in northern Gaza where several hundred thousand Palestinians are believed to still reside. The IDF has been operating to prevent Hamas from regrouping in northern Gaza.
Why are people refusing to leave areas where they have been ordered to evacuate in order for Israel to fight Hamas? Is this an intentional strategy?
Seems bad and should be investigated. Separately from that, I do wonder though:
Why are people refusing to leave areas where they have been ordered to evacuate in order for Israel to fight Hamas? Is this an intentional strategy?
Maybe they suspect that the Israelis will immediately bomb the areas they evacuate to, on the basis that that's where Hamas will go. Because frankly the Israelis have been known to do that.
Maybe they suspect that the Israelis will immediately bomb the areas they evacuate to, on the basis that that's where Hamas will go. Because frankly the Israelis have been known to do that.
Well, I guess that any army that operates in civilian areas exclusively is really smart. After all, if you operate in civilian areas no one will ever hold you accountable and people will be mad at the invading army that they had the gall to try to defeat you militarily. No army should ever attempt to differentiate itself from its civilian population.
This is a great idea actually. The IDF should just start launching drone strikes out of schools.
Scream and spead my body parts about
As someone who served four Israeli prime ministers and was deputy head of the country’s National Security Council, Eran Etzion’s judgement was trusted at the highest levels of the state.
A longstanding critic of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, he is also someone whose years of public service earned him widespread respect.
But now Mr Etzion, a former soldier himself, is warning that Israel’s military - the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) - might be committing war crimes in northern Gaza. And he is suggesting that officers and troops should reject illegal orders.
“They should refuse. If a soldier or an officer is expected to commit something that might be suspected as a war crime, they must refuse. That's what I would do if I were a soldier. That's what I think any Israeli soldier should do,” he tells me.
Maybe the compliant soldiers will shoot the refuseniks and claim they were hiding terrorists.
Sounds like a better strategy than the one they've been pursuing.
Maybe they suspect that the Israelis will immediately bomb the areas they evacuate to, on the basis that that's where Hamas will go. Because frankly the Israelis have been known to do that.
They might well do that, but evacuating still seems safer than staying put in an area they said to evacuate.
