Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.

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by 5 south k

Yeah, Israel is just sitting on some space lasers they've refused to unleash yet. I doubt it.
Your last paragraph is why it's not going to work. Hamas dgaf and is daring Israel to "finish the job".

Seems like they are just opting for an old fashioned siege. What is old is new again.


by Trolly McTrollson k

lol, the only one ignoring these alleged Hamas billionaires is Bibi and the IDF. Blow up some ****ing Hamas yachts, hell even the Columbia kids could be on board with that.

I doubt the students would be on board with war and murder and destruction


by Trolly McTrollson k

lol, the only one ignoring these alleged Hamas billionaires is Bibi and the IDF. Blow up some ****ing Hamas yachts, hell even the Columbia kids could be on board with that.

AIPAC? Genuinely not sure if you're confusing me with some other poster, or too intellectually lazy to care, or both.

You can’t even address the actual content of the post you referred to, Qatari influence, including sponsoring Hamas billionaires and yachts.

You are have been conditioned so completely and can’t even address it when thrown in your face.


Columbia students are just narcissists feeding their own over inflated egos.

Imagine the cognitive dissonance it takes to be doing performative outrage this long, making zero difference, and still doing it thinking you are accomplishing anything.


by Dunyain k

Maybe Hamas really is a Mossad operation and the goal of everyone is to destroy rhe West Bank and Gaza and relocate Palestinians.

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groaaaaaaan


No need to groan. It's widely accepted that the UK secret services infiltrated the PIRA so effectively that even Gerry Adams was possibly an agent.

The highly organised and effective Mossad conducting a false flag operation on 7/10 within Hamas isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

Can't believe I'm giving ****ing kelhus88 some credit here, but these are the times we live in.


by Dunyain k

You can’t even address the actual content of the post you referred to

I'm completely responsive to as much of your babbling dishonest nonsense as I can piece together. You're the one who brought up AIPAC, which seems completely tangential.

The key problem is you guys insisting that there are these Hamas billionaires living lavishly and yet somehow the mighty IDF is helpless against them, even with their fancy phone bombs and Mossad intel. It's obvious horseshit, as usual.

by Victor k

I doubt the students would be on board with war and murder and destruction

Tell that to the Luigi Mangione fanclub. You're not a pacifist, you're just selective about who you want shot.


by Victor k

Qatar is home to the largest US air force base in the Middle East (West Asia). they are on the same side as Israel.

Pretty big logic fail there.

Now I'll do one.

The US and Turkey are both NATO members. The US and Turkey are aligned with respect to policy towards the Kurds.


by jalfrezi k

No need to groan. It's widely accepted that the UK secret services infiltrated the PIRA so effectively that even Gerry Adams was possibly an agent.

The highly organised and effective Mossad conducting a false flag operation on 7/10 within Hamas isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

Can't believe I'm giving ****ing kelhus88 some credit here, but these are the times we live in.

double groooooooan

9/11 was an inside job, the earth is flat, and we also never landed on the moon.


by rafiki k

groaaaaaaan

I am not the one that simultaneously believes Qatar (who funds Hamas) is a US partner, Israel knew about and was behind 10/7, and Hamas are the good guys.

I am just trying to work through all the seeming dissonance in Victors worldview.


Saying "the Jews killed their own so they could destroy and steal it all" is such textbook hilarious antisemitism.

It's quite tremendous, it's definitely on par with killing Jesus and drinking baby blood.

lol we had Gaza. We gave it back once already. Lol so did the Egyptians. Nobody wants it (well other than Donald).


by Trolly McTrollson k

Tell that to the Luigi Mangione fanclub. You're not a pacifist, you're just selective about who you want shot.

ofc I am. so are you. you just happen to default to supporting whoever the USA likes to kill whereas I apply a more moral lens.


by Dunyain k

I am not the one that simultaneously believes Qatar (who funds Hamas) is a US partner, Israel knew about and was behind 10/7, and Hamas are the good guys.

I am just trying to work through all the seeming dissonance in Victors worldview.

I dont think Israel was behind 10/7 and Ive explained that many times. lie less and read more.


by campfirewest k

Pretty big logic fail there.

Now I'll do one.

The US and Turkey are both NATO members. The US and Turkey are aligned with respect to policy towards the Kurds.

Might not be the best example. USA is in the middle of withdrawing all support from Northern Syria so Turkey can continue invading and killing Kurds.


by rafiki k

double groooooooan

9/11 was an inside job, the earth is flat, and we also never landed on the moon.

... are all examples of conspiracies I don't believe.

Another thing I don't believe: "JFK was a single shooter event."


by Victor k

ofc I am. so are you. you just happen to default to supporting whoever the USA likes to kill whereas I apply a more moral lens.

Your moral lens tells you that billionaires are cool if they support your team?


my moral lens tells me not to reflexively believe Israeli propaganda


by Victor k

my moral lens tells me not to reflexively believe Israeli propaganda

I'm not either, which is why I called them "alleged Hamas billionaires." Sorry for the confusion.


apology accepted


by microbet k

Might not be the best example. USA is in the middle of withdrawing all support from Northern Syria so Turkey can continue invading and killing Kurds.

Sorry. No Jews, no news. Kurds are going to have to just live with getting the same treatment from the world as everyone else that radical Islamists ethnic cleanse. A big, fat giant yawn.

Although Israel, being the one shining diamond in the giant pile of coal that is MENA, does appear to be doing what they can.



Rumors are that Saudi Arabia and UAE have committed to spend most of the money to rebuild Gaza, under whatever plan is approved, but only on the condition that Hamas leave.

Maybe it is just wishful thinking on my part, but there really does seem to be a vibe shift where everyone is just getting sick and tired of Hamas getting in the way of ending the war and Gaza rebuilding.

Although this could also be explained by inter Sunni regional politics, as Hamas is aligned with Qatar-Turkey-Muslim Brotherhood, whom UAE and SA are at odds with.

This might also explain what the pro Hamas student demonstrators are suddenly becoming more active and belligerent. They can feel it all slipping away.


by Dunyain k

Rumors are that Saudi Arabia and UAE have committed to spend most of the money to rebuild Gaza, under whatever plan is approved, but only on the condition that Hamas leave.

Maybe it is just wishful thinking on my part, but there really does seem to be a vibe shift where everyone is just getting sick and tired of Hamas getting in the way of ending the war and Gaza rebuilding.

Although this could also be explained by inter Sunni regional politics, as Hamas is aligned with Qatar-Turkey-Muslim Bro

Hamas leaving would eventually end the blockade and every aspect of Gaza people decry.

It's almost like no longer fighting and build your city state is viable, if they just do it already.


by Bill Haywood k

Not watching that crap. Joe Biden was a lot of things and probably one of the bottom 3 presidents of all time, but accusing him of genocide is nonsense.


by campfirewest k

Not watching that crap. Joe Biden was a lot of things and probably one of the bottom 3 presidents of all time, but accusing him of genocide is nonsense.

Coward. The data is abundant. They leveled the place and Biden tried to get Egypt to accept the Gazans in exile.

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