The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance
Attaching a poll ... Dems unfavorability rating increased from 45% to 57% during the Biden Administration.
Yea, you're still playing hopscotch here. You said, "Democrats are supporting Venezuelan cartel members". I'm saying you have no way of knowing that. There's evidence that Trump is sending people who have immigrated lawfully to the US, and Democrats, though, in reality, it is anyone who believes in the rule of law, are saying, "That's bad. There needs to be some evidence before
i didn't say democrats are supporting venezuelan cartel members, you must be mistaking me for someone else.
trump might be sending non citizens away who didn't do anything particularly bad, caught in the mix of a lot of horrific people's yes, that's very possible.
but those people should have no rights to begin with, everything they are allowed to do in the USA is a privilege which can be removed at any time, they are guests not citizens, that's the idea.
would it be even better if good guests weren't punished for the massive mistakes of a huge quantity of bad guests? yes ofc.
give me a path for that to happen while bad guests are still punished and removed asap as a mandatory moral priority and I will listen.
but don't play any card about "rights" they have none, their presence in a foreign country is a privilege, which can be removed at any time for any reason.
and ofc unlike citizens, punishing a lot of bad people while getting a few good ones in the mix is still very appropriate for citizens.
the "we shouldn't touch an innocent " principle doesn't apply to non citizens at all, they aren't people with full rights like citizens are , at all.
i didn't say democrats are supporting venezuelan cartel members, you must be mistaking me for someone else.trump might be sending non citizens away who didn't do anything particularly bad, caught in the mix of a lot of horrific people's yes, that's very possible.but those people should have no rights to begin with, everything they are allowed to do in the USA is a privilege whi
What I find most obnoxious is the libs rush to assuming the worst case scenario is occurring from each of Trumps actions instead of waiting to see if anything bad actually comes from it.
With the El Salvador prison contract for example they were crying that non gang members were going to be denied due process and sent to El Salvador. They could wait and see if any families sue DHS or go public on the news bc their legal relative is now in El Salvador. Pretty much everyday they find a new way to do this and its hard to imagine them ever being objective
What I find most obnoxious is the libs rush to assuming the worst case scenario is occurring from each of Trumps actions instead of waiting to see if anything bad actually comes from it. With the El Salvador prison contract for example they were crying that non gang members were going to be denied due process and sent to El Salvador. They could wait and see if any families sue
Let’s be honest it’s not hard to identify these MS13 gang members or the Venezuelan hand members its tattooed all over their body
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Yea, you're still playing hopscotch here. You said, "Democrats are supporting Venezuelan cartel members". I'm saying you have no way of knowing that. There's evidence that Trump is sending people who have immigrated lawfully to the US, and Democrats, though, in reality, it is anyone who believes in the rule of law, are saying, "That's bad. There needs to be some evidence before
i didn't say democrats are supporting venezuelan cartel members, you must be mistaking me for someone else.
You're right it was lozen who said that
trump might be sending non citizens away who didn't do anything particularly bad, caught in the mix of a lot of horrific people's yes, that's very possible.
but those people should have no rights to begin with, everything they are allowed to do in the USA is a privilege which can be removed at any time, they are guests not citizens, that's the idea.
would it be even better if good guests weren't punished for the massive mistakes of a huge quantity of bad guests? yes ofc.
give me a path for that to happen while bad guests are still punished and removed asap as a mandatory moral priority and I will listen.
but don't play any card about "rights" they have none, their presence in a foreign country is a privilege, which can be removed at any time for any reason.
and ofc unlike citizens, punishing a lot of bad people while getting a few good ones in the mix is still very appropriate for citizens.
the "we shouldn't touch an innocent " principle doesn't apply to non citizens at all, they aren't people with full rights like citizens are, at all.
If it were true that non citizens had no rights at all, then Trump wouldn't be trying to do whatever he's doing through some war time statute, and it's pretty easy to understand why. War time powers, because of expediency, do away with a lot of due process, rights, etc. That's true across a lot of domains, not just immigration. And while non citizens don't have as many rights as citizens, some rights still apply across the board to anyone in the US.
A simple thought experiment shows that. Can noncitizens be tortured by Americans for no reason and without consequence? Can they be convicted of a crime without a trial and executed without due process? No, to either of those because due process and the right not to be tortured applies to anyone within US jurisdiction. In immigration, in some instances, It's been generally held that some kind of evidentiary hearing has to take place for the exact reason of validating the government's claims, and so we don't accidentally ship American citizens or people who immigrated legally, and to prevent the government from just bullshitting, etc. It doesn't have to be a full trial, but that's what's generally happened. The wartime statute does away with that because of the expediency of war. Trump's trying to use the statute by saying we're at war, but we're not, and words mean things otherwise; the government can just do whatever it wants whenever it wants.
It doesn't even seem like too big of a deal. The government presents its case, the defendant refutes it, and the judge decides, and it's done.
For some of them, maybe most of them, sure. But I posted an article above where the State's evidence that a kid who was tortured by the Maduro regime was a gang member was a common football tattoo and a social media post of him doing a rock and roll hand sign. Not exactly a full-body-face-tattoo-holding-an-AK47 kind of guy.
Watched Jon Stewart last night. He railed against the Democrats the entire show. He can't stand Schumer. His guest was Chris Murphy who I thought might be a guy to lead but he came out pretty wishy washy as well. The democrats don't have their **** together at all. They can't agree on any sort of platform and they don't have a strong leader. No wonder we're where we are.
[QUOTE=Luciom;58930539]If it were true that non citizens had no rights at all, then Trump wouldn't be trying to do whatever he's doing through some war time statute, and it's pretty easy to understand why. War time powers, because of expediency, do away with a lot of due process, rights, etc. That's true across a lot of domains, not just immigration. And while non citizens don'
I previously said that yes under case law they do have some rights.
keep in mind the AEA allows not only for war, but for invasion and incursion as well.
Now there is no war, correct. Is there an invasion? if 10 million people illegally inside isn't an invasion, what's an invasion?
This is the silly stunts Republicans are trying to play to get around the law. You can tell it's silly because how Trump is trying to string the logic together. He's saying he can deport Venezuelan gang members because they're tied to the Venezuelan government and therefore it counts as an invasion, but one, he's been working with the Venezuelan government, closely in his words, to repatriate their citizens, and two there's no evidence that anyone, gang members or not are working with the government.
I'd say an invasion involves people who designate themselves outside the jurisdiction of the United States, but I'm sure they've got originalists people who are going and looking through what the founders and statute writers meant by the world invasion. My thought experiment would be, "If you asked anyone who you thought was "invading" the US, would they voluntarily become a citizen and pledge to follow all US laws, how many would do that?" I'd say nearly all of them no? How can that be an invasion force? I think what you want to say is "invasion" just means an arbitrary high number, and when that high number is met, then the President gets powers to ignore certain laws.
Yea, you're still playing hopscotch here. You said, "Democrats are supporting Venezuelan cartel members". I'm saying you have no way of knowing that. There's evidence that Trump is sending people who have immigrated lawfully to the US, and Democrats, though, in reality, it is anyone who believes in the rule of law, are saying, "That's bad. There needs to be some evidence before
ICE isn't just rounding up anyone and shipping them off and they have no obligation to "show evidence". And show evidence to who?? They know who they're going after. Trump has made it super easy to self deport so if anyone decides to disobey U.S. immigration laws and try to stay illegally and then at some point they accidentally get rounded up with gang members then that's on them.
These activist judges were appointed by people strictly for an agenda. They WANT these violent people on our streets. Trump needs to invoke wartime powers like Lincoln did and ignore all these unelected judges. Civil war in this country WILL happen in the next few years. It's inevitable. The extremists on the left led by globalists are desperate. People forget that Lincoln arrested anyone he deemed against American interests:
"No careful work on the numbers of civilians arrested by military authorities or for reasons of state has ever been done by a historian, and those historians who have attempted an estimate previously have been writing with the goal of defending Lincoln in mind. Even so, the lowest estimate is 13,535 arrests from February 15, 1862, to the end of the war."
[QUOTE=Luciom;58930928]This is the silly stunts Republicans are trying to play to get around the law. You can tell it's silly because how Trump is trying to string the logic together. He's saying he can deport Venezuelan gang members because they're tied to the Venezuelan government and therefore it counts as an invasion, but one, he's been working with the Venezuelan governme
There is the aspect of the illegal entrance, coupled with the high numbers of illegal entrants, and their bellicose attitude (for venezuelan gang members and others). A violent organized group entering illegally is an invasion. At least, that's what you would call a home invasion, if a gang entered illegally in your home right?
Not sure about your part on "working closely with the venezuelan government" given they were sending those people to El Salvador, not back to Venezuela.
I am not sure about the meaning of the word in the 18th century in english, but the word simply means "going in" from latin , and the violent and not-accepted-by-who-is-there connotation was added a long while ago, at least in italian.
Going in a place (even a non physical one) with violence and against the will of the owners is an invasion. Which is why you have expressions like home invasion, invasion of privacy, pitch invasion and so on.
Yea that's called a category error when you take a word in one context and see the word in another context and think they mean the same thing. Pretty clear in this context as well. If someone invades your property, you don't get to rendition them to another country and put them in a slave camp without any due process, but that's what you would say the President gets to do. So the words might be the same, but they mean different things.
The working with the Venezuelan part is tied to why Trump is justifying what he's doing. He's saying the gangs are working with the Venezuelan government, but I'd say there's no evidence that they are, and there's evidence that we're working with the Venezuelan government on matters of immigration, which means, when it comes to immigration, they're not a hostile entity trying to "invade" the US.
Democratic party favorability ratings at an all time low of 29%.
GOP not doing great either at 36%.
We need a cleansing
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/20...
Former Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters Tuesday Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer should “of course” remain in his leadership amid a backlash in the party to the New Yorker’s handling of a recent government funding vote.
Dem's needed a cleansing after Jimmy Carter...
Watched Jon Stewart last night. He railed against the Democrats the entire show. He can't stand Schumer. His guest was Chris Murphy who I thought might be a guy to lead but he came out pretty wishy washy as well. The democrats don't have their **** together at all. They can't agree on any sort of platform and they don't have a strong leader. No wonder we're where we are.
I think newsome is as wish washy as it comes and I think he is gonna to destroy the dem primary and be a fav for POTUS
imo of course
i also think at this rate as of now reds lose some mid terms so there is nothing that they , the dems, need to do right now tbh. even if what everyone says is true and they are kind of lost. I think the republican party is also lost once trump can no longer run, i dont see a republican being as strong on the issues trump ran on (which wa favored by many)
a good sign
https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-...
136 years....
Democrat James Andrew Malone narrowly won a special election for a Pennsylvania state Senate seat in a stretch of Republican-leaning suburbs and farming communities, scoring an upset in a territory that a Democrat hasn’t represented in the chamber for 136 years.
oops...
John Stewart's guest the other night had a great line. Democrats will disappoint you. Republicans will stab you in the back.
The Democrats could look North to Canada on what they need to do
The Conservative party was 28 points ahead in the polls with Justin Trudeau and his policies . After he resigned they did not go with anyone in their cabinet but went with the Former Bank of England and Canada head. He took the conservatives key platform issues that were winning for them the removal of the personal carbon tax and scraped it as well as few other unpopular policies from Justin Trudeau
Doing that with an election less than a month away they are now leading in the polls. As well they choose a new leader in 45 days and than a 45 day campaign . So the Dems were full of it that there was no time for a primary
A few key policies they need to pivot on is the Border and the radical elements on trans
The Democrats are losing Gen Z activist David Hogg as a Vice Chair of the DNC.
Hogg wanted to promote competition and primary opponents for the (bought and sold by big money) fossilized geriatrics which are the bulk of their federal office holders.
Naturally, they decided to evict him.
The Democrats are losing Gen Z activist David Hogg as a Vice Chair of the DNC.
Hogg wanted to promote competition and primary opponents for the (bought and sold by big money) fossilized geriatrics which are the bulk of their federal office holders.
Naturally, they decided to evict him.
Yup if you say anything they will try and destroy or dump you . Fetterman is the next target
Yup if you say anything they will try and destroy or dump you . Fetterman is the next target
Fetterman is the quintessential new establishment Democrat.
Ran for office as a progressive and immediately changed his stripes upon taking office and revealing himself as a right winger approving of the ethnic cleansing of 2 million impoverished Gazans.
He's not a target. He was selected and vetted by the Democratic establishment.
