Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Even Germany was allowed to remain a country (albeit divided, but not erased from existence) while you demand that Israel be dissolved.
the Nazis were forced to be (ostensibly) dissolved. thats an apt analogy. and further, the Nazi settlers in Czechia, Poland, Russia, Ukraine etc were all forced to haul their ass back to the former Reich.
Failed incursions in Lebanon? What has Hezbollah been doing recently? Israel was successful and they have no intentions of conquering Lebanon. YouÂ’re out of your mind.
Read up what happened there.
Do you disagree that Israel wants as big of buffer zones as possible and will take them if they are easy to get? Do you disagree that there are efforts to settle those buffer zones? Do you think that they would not have bases in current Lebanese territory if there wasn't a stiff guerilla resistance?
You will be a more effective poster if you don't go straight for the ad hominem and actually address people's points.
the Nazis were forced to be (ostensibly) dissolved. thats an apt analogy. and further, the Nazi settlers in Czechia, Poland, Russia, Ukraine etc were all forced to haul their ass back to the former Reich.
The Nazis were forced to be dissolved, yes, but the Nazis weren’t the German people right? But you do want to get rid of Israel and by extension abolish the term Israeli.
Also if that’s the comparison you’re making, sounds like you want to send back people that lived in random Middle Eastern countries back to where they came? **** it if it causes them to be persecuted or they have no more ties there right?
Pretty sick stuff from you.
ya dude, I want the genocidal maniacs to lose their ability to do genocide. and for the deserving to get punished. and for the rest to get de-Nazified. and that doesnt mean absorb them into NATO to continue their nasty stuff like post WW2.
anyway, many times Hamas has offered a full truce, the 67 borders, right of return, and reparations.
ya dude, I want the genocidal maniacs to lose their ability to do genocide. and for the deserving to get punished. and for the rest to get de-Nazified. and that doesnt mean absorb them into NATO to continue their nasty stuff like post WW2.
anyway, many times Hamas has offered a full truce, the 67 borders, right of return, and reparations.
so again let’s just remember, when you say denazified you mean deporting jews to countries that they have no connections to anymore, many of which fled due to persecution, then let Hamas who have been openly genocidal to Jews (not Israelis, Jews) decide what happens to the ones that remain.
and you think this makes you the good, moral person.
when you say denazified you mean deporting jews to countries
no, it means they need to dismantle the whole Zionist structure and unlearn its genocidal Supremacist tenets.
and wtf do you think the "67 borders" means? it doesnt mean deporting anyone. you are imagining things in your head. a common side effect of Zionism it seems. but that was a proposal from Hamas previously. maybe it has changed. I will defer to their judgement.
I think you are confusing cause and effect. If it wasn't for the "stiff guerrilla resistance" paramilitaries who promise to destroy Israel, there would be much less need for buffer zones. Regardless, given that Israel's enemies in Lebanon promise to destroy Israel, and are constantly threatening and attacking it; Israel is well within its rights to do what is in their power to make sure these promises are never realized.
Remember, it is paramilitaries in Lebanon who promise to destroy Israel. Israel has no ambitions other than survival; but if for survival they need to capture militarily strategic land and set up buffer zones than so be it.
no, it means they need to dismantle the whole Zionist structure and unlearn its genocidal Supremacist tenets.
and wtf do you think the "67 borders" means? it doesnt mean deporting anyone. you are imagining things in your head. a common side effect of Zionism it seems. but that was a proposal from Hamas previously. maybe it has changed. I will defer to their judgement.
genius if we do the 67 borders that’s a two state solution. if you support that, you’re a zionist. so are hamas zionists? you think that’s real, that they would accept 67 borders? You’re out of your damn mind.
its been a standing offer since they won the elections so yes I think its real. I mean, what are you even saying? you think its a fake offer so its ok to do what Israel has been doing, ie raping prisoners to death, murdering children and stealing land in 3 different countries?
its been a standing offer since they won the elections so yes I think its real. I mean, what are you even saying? you think its a fake offer so its ok to do what Israel has been doing, ie raping prisoners to death, murdering children and stealing land in 3 different countries?
Yes I think it’s a fake offer. They want right of return which they know is a poison pill for any offer. It’s not serious at all. Also I looked it up and they don’t recognize Israel’s right to exist either.
It’s designed for silly Westerners like you to think they are less genocidal than their founders, which they are not.
If someone wants all Jews to die and they tell Israel “I’ll accept temporary ceasefire if you give up your land, let random people into your country with random documents, and give up any of your strategic advantage, all while I plot 1000 more October 7ths,” that’s not a serious offer.
You’re a total moron lmao. I’m 100 times the poster you are, for whatever that’s worth. You think anyone cares about being an effective poster when responding to lunatics? You’re on another planet. Responding to you and Victor is like talking to the mentally ill homeless man outside 711 so there’s really point of trying to make an effective argument. You seem to misunderstand how conversations and arguments go. If you never present a coherent argument there’s nothing to respond to.
Nothing you’ve posted suggests that Israel wants to conquer Lebanon and no one has time for your dishonest posting.
Funny thing is, it’s Israel’s enemies who want to conquer land (Israel) and expel all the inhabitants. They literally tried to do it again on October 7th, big bummer for you and Victor that it didn’t work out.
Anyways, it seems this thread has run its course, probably a long time ago. The Victors and Pompeuses have gone full MAGA brain and will basically say anything with no shame.
It would be interesting to see what Israel would look like if the Arabs didn’t repeatedly threaten it. My guess is it would be smaller.
Once again my social media timeline is a combination of (probably fake) allegations against the IDF that never have any video evidence to back it up; and very real allegations against Syrian Islamists, with lots of video evidence that directly backs it up.
It is actually interesting reading BBC/CNN/etc. and comparing the neutral language they use to euphemise the recorded atrocities going on in Southern Syria; contrasted to the moral outrage and indignation they employ in Gaza (much of which probably isn't even true based on any real evidence).
It is pretty wild how morally compromised western media is, and how they have been bought and paid for by Islamists.
It would be interesting to see what Israel would look like if the Arabs didn’t repeatedly threaten it. My guess is it would be smaller.
Arabs (and Iran and Turkey) threaten Israel all the time. Even in times of relative peace. Land is generally seized when they put these threats into action and attack Israel. But your general observation is probably correct.
Spoiler
--Here is a video of a straight up street execution in Syria, with the telltale "Allah Akbar" at the end. There is tons of these videos floating around.
Juxtaposed with Gaza, where we are 1.5 years in and literally thousands of allegations the IDF is doing stuff like this, with literally 0 video evidence. In fact, the only thing close to this in Gaza is videos of Hamas executing/torturing "collaborators".
If anything, Israel's moral failing in this conflict was bowing to US pressure and not coming in hard enough to stop these kind of atrocities being perpetuated by the Syrian govt and their allies.
It goes without saying "The West," especially so called media, has been bought and paid for by Qatar/Syria/Muslim Brotherhood and are completely morally compromised.
You’re a total moron lmao. I’m 100 times the poster you are, for whatever that’s worth. You think anyone cares about being an effective poster when responding to lunatics? You’re on another planet. Responding to you and Victor is like talking to the mentally ill homeless man outside 711 so there’s really point of trying to make an effective argument. You seem to misunderst
Victor is the most predictable and boring poster itt. Literally every second post of his has the terms "genocide, white empire, concentration camp, fun and profit" etc. Impossible to have a good faith discussion with him and your 7/11 comparison is quite apt.
Spoiler
--Here is a video of a straight up street execution in Syria, with the telltale "Allah Akbar" at the end. There is tons of these videos floating around. Juxtaposed with Gaza, where we are 1.5 years in and literally thousands of allegations the IDF is doing stuff like this, with literally 0 video evidence. In fact, the only thing close to this in Gaza is videos of Hamas execu
well, theres tons of video evidence of the IDF's atrocities.
but as far as the Jolani gangs, those are your boys. they are aligned with the West. they are allies of Israel and the USA. and the tankies that were so-called "Assadists" or "Assad apologists" turned out to be 100% correct that the "moderate Syrian rebels" were actually headchopping psychopaths.
so far they have massacred Alawite, Christian, Shia, Sunni (esp the Sufis), and now Druze, but not fired a single shot in anger at the USA or the Israelis. real weird. dont think about it too hard though.
Victor is the most predictable and boring poster itt. Literally every second post of his has the terms "genocide, white empire, concentration camp, fun and profit" etc. Impossible to have a good faith discussion with him and your 7/11 comparison is quite apt.
right, we are at the point where now you cant even deny that I am correct about these things so you either toss ad hominems or just act like its boring and normal for the White Empire murder 100s of starving people a day for fun and profit.
Boring. Let us know when Israel conquers another territory on their blood thirsty quest to rule the smallest plot of land in the entire region. Lunatic.
Anyways, in the failed states part of the ME (that are failed mainly due to Iranian influence) there seems to be a coalition of Sunni Islamists and Beduins on one side and Israeli, Druze and Kurds on the other side. With Iranian proxies off to the side.
With the West mainly sympathetic to the Sunni Islamists and their financial backers in Turkey and Qatar.
It is actually pretty wild how there has been so much energy over 80 years to create a Palestinian state, and complete indifference towards forming a Kurdish state, which you could easily do if you get rid of the state boundaries created by Europe in the early 20th century.
But unfortunately the West was bought and paid for a long time ago, so it isn't even part of the discourse. The tragic fate of minorities like the Kurds and Druze are a warning sign of what happens to minorities in the ME that are unable to form states to protect themselves like the Jews were able to do.
