Pre flop check up posts.
Pre flop check up posts.
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Pre flop check up posts.

I thought it would be helpful to start an ongoing thread where people can post pre flop situations they have questions a

20 December 2014 at 05:07 PM
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by NittyOldMan1 m
by killians3 m

Ok, So I got a def fold, a likely 3! based on reads and a def 3! against a LAGGy player. Tells me its very situational and read dependent. I need to get better.

having a 4 card flop is huge with hands like A3s because of the backdoors. if you just call pre and the flop is something like JT2 with one of your suit and the lag cbets, you have to almost always fold because you hav

yeah, not calling pre-its either fold or 3 bet in these scenarios. My guess is calling is lowest EV.


by NittyOldMan1 m

having a 4 card flop is huge with hands like A3s because of the backdoors. if you just call pre and the flop is something like JT2 with one of your suit and the lag cbets, you have to almost always fold because you have people to act behind you. by 3 betting you get to realize your full equity b/c you can check behind flops like these and see if you turn a FD or straight draw.

I think I addressed this after a similar post by you. You definitely can't count on it getting checked to you on the button in any games I have played in the last 10 years or more.


They still check to me 100 percent of the time in 5 way pots and I’m a check back machine


by ninefingershuffle m

They still check to me 100 percent of the time in 5 way pots and I’m a check back machine

In what game?


20-40 (now with overs!)


It's very rare in my 20/40 game.


8 handed, 2/3 structure.

one limper, you have 86s hijack. nobody behind is super aggro. no real read on limper.


9 handed 2/3 structure

unk UTG raise. solid UTG+1 3b. UTG+2 and UTG+3 cold call 3. you have AQo next up. people behind are very loose and rather passive.


by NittyOldMan1 m

8 handed, 2/3 structure.

one limper, you have 86s hijack. nobody behind is super aggro. no real read on limper.

I think this is a fold but I probably raise here more than I should. I am much more inclined to raise as the CO or BTN because getting 3bet out of position really sucks with this hand.


by NittyOldMan1 m

9 handed 2/3 structure

unk UTG raise. solid UTG+1 3b. UTG+2 and UTG+3 cold call 3. you have AQo next up. people behind are very loose and rather passive.

Urgggggggggh. I fold and take a walk.


by NittyOldMan1 m

8 handed, 2/3 structure.

one limper, you have 86s hijack. nobody behind is super aggro. no real read on limper.

I probably over limp in hopes of enticing a pot with 5+ players. Nothing wrong with folding either. Would bet all three options show similar equity.

by NittyOldMan1 m

9 handed 2/3 structure

unk UTG raise. solid UTG+1 3b. UTG+2 and UTG+3 cold call 3. you have AQo next up. people behind are very loose and rather passive.

Frustrating fold. Would most here cap AQs?


Both folds for me, but I am probably too tight. AQs probably capping in the 2nd hand but AQo fold.


by NittyOldMan1 m

9 handed 2/3 structure

unk UTG raise. solid UTG+1 3b. UTG+2 and UTG+3 cold call 3. you have AQo next up. people behind are very loose and rather passive.

Very easy fold with a hand that has to hit insanely good to win here.


8 16 fairly loose game. bad player limps UTG+1, slightly better player raises MP, I am in HJ with 88-99. Blinds like to over defend and probably 50/50 at least one will call a 3! CO and BTN are reasonable players.

Same type of game, 4/8 or 8/16, 2 limpers from EP, I am MP/HJ with 88/99, Blinds will call raises 90% of time.


by killians3 m

8 16 fairly loose game. bad player limps UTG+1, slightly better player raises MP, I am in HJ with 88-99. Blinds like to over defend and probably 50/50 at least one will call a 3! CO and BTN are reasonable players.

In loose passive games a PF raise from most players means a premium hand. If so, I'd want to play 88 against 4+ players, therefore call. If the raiser tends to open wider I'd lean towards a 3! and make sure you have position the rest of the hand against however many players.

Same type of game, 4/8 or 8/16, 2 limpers from EP, I am MP/HJ with 88/99, Blinds will call raises 90% of time.

Raise 985430% of the time.


by killians3 m

8 16 fairly loose game. bad player limps UTG+1, slightly better player raises MP, I am in HJ with 88-99. Blinds like to over defend and probably 50/50 at least one will call a 3! CO and BTN are reasonable players.

Same type of game, 4/8 or 8/16, 2 limpers from EP, I am MP/HJ with 88/99, Blinds will call raises 90% of time.

cant think of single reason not to raise. id raise down to 66.


UTG raises, UTG+1 coldcalls, UTG+2 3bets, farjack coldcalls, hijack coldcalls. You have 64s in the CO. BTN and BB are quite loose and sticky; SB is a nit.

(This is a situation that actually happened to me in a 40/80 game but curious if the answer depends on stakes.)


by asmitty m

UTG raises, UTG+1 coldcalls, UTG+2 3bets, farjack coldcalls, hijack coldcalls. You have 64s in the CO. BTN and BB are quite loose and sticky; SB is a nit.

(This is a situation that actually happened to me in a 40/80 game but curious if the answer depends on stakes.)

ive never played 40/80 because the swings are too big for me, but if i was playing 20/40, assuming 4b is the cap i'd just cap 1) for the lolz 2) try my best to get the button.

i mean id never fold 65s here. is 64s that much worse? everyone has each other's cards but you. i could be convinced otherwise but life is short anyways and it's so much fun to play hands like these in these types of spots. its not like this hand will be hard to play postflop, either.

maybe if you play for a living youre better off folding, but i dont i just play for fun.

also maybe im biased because ive seen 64s drag two like 40 big bet pots the last 10 hours. ha.


by NittyOldMan1 m

ive never played 40/80 because the swings are too big for me, but if i was playing 20/40, assuming 4b is the cap i'd just cap 1) for the lolz 2) try my best to get the button. i mean id never fold 65s here. is 64s that much worse? everyone has each other's cards but you. i could be convinced otherwise but life is short anyways and it's so much fun to play hands like these in th

I did call here (and won a gigantic pot). I just wanted to get a sanity check since I probably don’t fold enough PF.


by asmitty m

UTG raises, UTG+1 coldcalls, UTG+2 3bets, farjack coldcalls, hijack coldcalls. You have 64s in the CO. BTN and BB are quite loose and sticky; SB is a nit.

(This is a situation that actually happened to me in a 40/80 game but curious if the answer depends on stakes.)

Gambol for sure


by NittyOldMan1 m
by killians3 m

8 16 fairly loose game. bad player limps UTG+1, slightly better player raises MP, I am in HJ with 88-99. Blinds like to over defend and probably 50/50 at least one will call a 3! CO and BTN are reasonable players. Same type of game, 4/8 or 8/16, 2 limpers from EP, I am MP/HJ with 88/99, Blinds will call raises 90% of time.

cant think of single reason not to raise. id raise dow

So in hand 1 you are 3!? Agree hand 2 is pretty easy raise. Hand one I had TT there in a similar hand and 3!.

Last night had 2 limpers to me in HJ with 77, I raised, got 5 way, flopped a set and turned quads. No one expected me to show HH quads after everyone check/folded to my river bet.


by asmitty m

I did call here (and won a gigantic pot). I just wanted to get a sanity check since I probably don’t fold enough PF.

im guessing you play like 1 out of 20 hands hands more than you should (maybe less) in terms of pure EV which is probably worth the investment of entertainment/image/keeping you awake/postflop skill etc.

its funny how NL and LHE differ. in NL i look for excuses to fold. in LHE i look for excuses to play.


by killians3 m

So in hand 1 you are 3! Agree hand 2 is pretty easy raise. Hand one I had TT there in a similar hand and 3!.

Last night had 2 limpers to me in HJ with 77, I raised, got 5 way, flopped a set and turned quads. No one expected me to show HH quads after everyone check/folded to my river bet.

in position three bet liberally. 3b 66 because it wins UI plenty of times when you have position. for example the flop comes K24, you often have the best hand and nobody is going to challenge you if you 3b pre on boards like that. ive lost track of the amount of huge pots ive won when i have a pair higher than the lowest two cards but lower than the top card and i dont improve.


Loose 4/8 game STD 4/8 player EP raises, 4 cold callers to me in the BB with KJo. Easy call getting 11:1?


I certainly wouldn’t fold.

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