Daniel Negreanu's very own containment thread. All things Danny go here
how bad must he be when a girl falls asleep while making out and snores right after?
life fish..... food arrived but didn
It's over!!! He won!
Look forward to the experts coming over later after their 1/2 session (but with a $5 rock!) to tell us why DN sucks at PLO he he he
the he's such a losing player people are about to be eerily silent for some reason.
Congrats Daniel! This is the one to win if you gonna lose all the others.
WEeeeeeee grats!
All those short circuiting keyboards from the tears.
It's all gone quiet
Daniel got super lucky that no one from the online 200 PLO pool entered this tournament.
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hahaha
He's playing far better PLO than he had in previous I'm so good at PLO years.
This also might be pretty close to icing massive 25k fantasy profit
Black year.
I dunno. With max late reg being what it is, and re-entries, mere cashes are kind of a fraudulent stat.Like, someone who buys in 'honest' at the beginning of a WSOP event is 15% to cash, for a pro working the system it's probably more like 40%DN doing what he's done in the PLO this year.. it's not nothin', but... I don't know how good it isI think the final tables are more
$2.25 million dollar cash. Perhaps he bought in 25 times? ;-)
Congrats to DN. 
It's really unfortunately that a bunch of posters want to misconstrue what I wrote and also think that DN winning disproves anything that I wrote.
No one had even asked to clarify, but to me "meh" simply meant and still means a whatever player and someone somewhere outside the top 500 PLO players, your thoughts are never "ah ****" if DN is sat at your PLO table. Of the 13 players who cashed, at least 7 are "meh." As a PLO cash player if you don't understand how the MTT format/structure changes thing you will get torched at PLO MTTs by NLH MTT players which is why "good" NLH MTT players have PLO MTT results FAR above their abilities at PLO cash, even after normalizing for variance.
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Still not wrong, his approach to the game is easily and quickly fixable.
DN's current biggest leak is that he thinks of PLO ranges postflop similar to how most NLH MTT regs who are like -30% ROI at PLO MTTs do.
Only perused the PokerNews article and read a couple HHs, but my thoughts were WTF from both POVs of the players who made HU.
DN gets a big boost for being an overall solid/decent MTT player which is very important no matter what game an MTT is.
He did end up winning it. This also goes back to how he can massively outperform his baseline PLO fundamentals in an MTT structure.
Due to terrible fundamentals at the game DN would get absolutely pounded at PLO cash vs actual (online) PLO players, but playing live against fields that are like >= 50% NLH MTT pros, he's actually above the skill level required to be a small winner in almost every PLO MTT he enters.
Look at the field of 83 players who played the event. People don't realize that from the start DN would have been like 1.3% to win it and likely also don't realize that 1/83 is not 1.3%. 🙄
Congrats to DN. It's really unfortunately that a bunch of posters want to misconstrue what I wrote and also think that DN winning disproves anything that I wrote.No one had even asked to clarify, but to me "meh" simply meant and still means a whatever player and someone somewhere outside the top 500 PLO players, your thoughts are never "ah ****" if DN is sat at your PLO table.
Your basic argument seems to be that Daniel is playing a style that might be more optimal for tournaments than cash games. Which makes sense given that he is playing a tournament and not a cash game. But why do you then think that he would play the same style in a cash game?
Seems like the optimal play would be to keep the five minutes of fundamentals that would have been told to DN close to vest. But then study the HHs and vlogs to get in his Jam PLO brain to become the perfect MTT PLO beast.
Your basic argument seems to be that Daniel is playing a style that might be more optimal for tournaments than cash games. Which makes sense given that he is playing a tournament and not a cash game. But why do you then think that he would play the same style in a cash game?
I was saying/implying that DN is a solid/decent overall MTT player and has good live "soft" skills which allow him to massively outperform his baseline PLO ability and cover for his mistakes and I'm not talking about "playing according to theory/solver" when that would be entirely incorrect for who you are actually playing against. At a certain point you simply can't get away with the trash hand VPIPs vs solid ranges, especially in multiway pots. You see this style of play in NLH on HCL where players are cold calling 4bets with like KJo, J8s, 64s and other random stuff, they can only semi get away with it because the general quality of play on HCL is not amazing and almost everyone else at the table is doing that same random stuff and the average table VPIP is like 63%. DN for the most part can get away with his mistakes because the players he is playing against generally are also making the same or similar mistakes.
This hand from DN's vlog against Artur that he explains to Josh Arieh at 9:58 shows what I mean:
https://youtu.be/P_1iuslxW7A?si=rIknR8Ox... (timestamped)
DN goes over the hand and Josh is left almost completely speechless likely thinking to himself "WTF?" and then DN says "it's fine, I'm not saying he did anything wrong" and Arieh is again likely thinking to himself "that is ****ing terrible" as most PLO players would be. This is not a real hand between two PLO players, it is a hand between two NLH players playing PLO. I have never really seen Arieh play PLO, but just seeing this interaction about the hand in question, I can say with near 100% certainty that Arieh has a better understanding about PLO than DN does.
DN should have lead the flop btw.
Man the nuthuggers need to chill out and wipe the goo off their chins, it is not like he is now winning money from poker over the last 5 years.
Congrats to the bracelet DNegs.
Ahhaahahha this is gold.
Iwasbanned in shambles , seaking trying to make some sense at any cost.
This is so funny.
I'm sure the time to methodically deny the win in this thread is about to come, just let them take a breath and regroup.
amazing people hate on D-Negs who is by all accounts is a decent, hard working and yes very talented poker player meanwhile we have Kassouf and Kabrhel who are just absolute lunatic morons parading around.
Congrats to Daniel and **** all the haters hahahahahahhha
Imagine being a nuthugger for some dude whos the luckiest poker player in history. Its baffling to me. Having very little going in your life and living vicariously through someone else is my only possible explanation for this behavior by certain people on here.
SeaKing's posts are spot on. DNegs might actually have an edge in these tournaments, but thats because in these 25k+ tournaments, half the field or more seem to be super high roller NLHE players who have no business being in them going by skill level. Because of the variance in PLO anyone can donk a bracelet in a 90man tourney so they feel compelled to enter and it takes a long time to realize youre a dog when equities run so close. Most solid PLO players with great fundamentals cant even enter because you need to be a super high roller in the first place to get in.
For players like Eelis, Laszlo etc these PLO 25k+ tourneys are a gold mine. Martirosian's play in that hand posted above is atrocious... and its the same kind of logic going on that DNegs talks about in his hand histories when he says stuff like "this might look bad but I have ideas".. idea being backdoor blockers with minor backup and mexican wraps that "can make something on later streets", absolutely useless stuff in PLO pots unless youre in a HU matchup with super loose ranges.
But in his credit he does seem to make less of the absolutely horrendous preflop mistakes that he made a few years ago, and is probably even level with most of the NLHE players in these fields, and can make up for some of the lost edge against the good players with his live soft skills.
I thoughr this would shut up the trash talkers, but i was so wrong. He just got lucky and won 2 small field sit and gos, the 50k mixed and the 100k plo. You realize that aside from the experts itt this will look like a huge accomplishment. Has anyone else won the highest stake plo and the highest stake mixed, much less 2 years apart.
No more discussion about how he is a losing player, because he is down for the Sertes. Now it is about how soft the field is for the $100k plo. Is it possible that one reason it is a small field is that most people would be too ev- in it?
He is giving the finger to all you trash talkers, like he did when he won the ppc.
Now a trash talker has run out of arguments and resirted to obscene anslogies about oral sex.
