Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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I dont think you understand what a Western liberal is and what they think. they were fully on board with the same genocide as you when Biden was supposedly in charge. and now they are fully on board with Trump doing the same thing out of spite.
as usual the only people with any sort of moral principles are the leftists. the pro-Israel people do have principles, but they certainly arent moral.
In other related news, it is actually kind of wild how this never made much news because it isn't convenient to the narrative, but apparently Houthis have just been kidnapping and holding hostage UN workers in fairly large numbers to the point that UN has stopped operating in the areas they control.
In other news, Hamas was already supposed to release the Russian hostage they have to Russia. But after the bad PR response to the poor condition of the last 3 Isreali hostages, they are stalling; presumably to give him food and medical care so his condition improves before he is released to the world.
Just caught this now
A) It was for a number of reasons, one being that he was suspected of stealing money and potential collaboration, another was indeed because he was gay
Adding a layer of scandal to the story, he was accused of moral turpitude, by which Hamas meant homosexuality
Here's from one of your favourites:
The Israeli military has found documents in a Gaza tunnel recording his ordeal and showing that Hamas continued to torture members believed to be gay
In February 2016, Al Qassam claimed they had executed of Mahmoud Rushdi Eshtewi [ar] (Arabic: محمود رشدي اشتيوي😉,[a][19][20] one of the group's leading commanders, for very ambiguous reasons. Eshtewi was survived by his two widows and his three children.[better source needed][21] Most reliable sources at the time described the charges as unnamed or undefined.[22][23][19][24] The stated reason was "for behavioral and moral violations to which he confessed"
Seems like your "morally and legally justified resistance" heroes have no less than 77 offences which will get you the death sentence.
B) So the torture and execution is acceptable to you, long as you think it wasn't due to him being gay? 😵
no it sounds like a great crime even if he was a traitor as alleged.
As well as gay, sorry, "moral violations" don't forget that part.
Excusing genocide because Hamas doesn't like gays is going full liberal.
Sorry, is Israel going to give LGBT residents of Gaza a pass on the ethnic cleansing? What are we doing here?
I think you are mixing up the Palestinians with ISIS. ISIS are the Western proxy forces doing mass murder in Syria and Lebanon right now with the help of Israel.
Once again pretty much the opposite of reality. ISIS is actually the only group in the ME the West has been willing to fight directly, gloves semi-off. Even now, the US is directly attacking ISIS groups in Syria and Somalia, something it has never done against the axis of resistance.
And Israel and the Turkish backed Syrian govt share a common enemy in Iran controlled Shia groups; but Israel has taken land and destroyed a lot of weapons left behind by Assad and Russia exactly so the new govt doesn’t get control of them.
nah HTS is basically ISIS.
This is a gross oversimplification to the point it isn’t true at all. But regardless, HTS is actually very closely aligned to Hamas ideologically and theologically, have identical (extremely negative) views on Zionism and the state of Israel, and even share major state sponsors in turkey and Qatar.
you are just woefully incorrect. HTS is a Salafi group that spawned from ISIS. Hamas opposes Salafism and cracks down on it.
as for Turkey and Qatar, well they are allies with Israel and the US. many of the weapons that Israel used were from Turkey. they sure werent sending any to Hamas. and Qatar has the largest US base in the Middle East.
HTS clearly doesnt oppose Israel as they have willingly given up the Golani and are instead attacking Lebanese border regions with the help of the Israeli air force.
Oh I'm not excusing Hamas' desire to commit genocide either, I'm just pointing out how quite apart from their genocidal desire toward Israel, they also really dislike gay people.
What exactly is your point, then, if not to make an incredibly halfased apology for Israel's genocide?
Let's walk through this, you and I: "Hamas dislikes gay people, therefore [insert your point here]"
Explain why this isn't ethnic cleansing.
Explain why this isn't ethnic cleansing.
Who is even denying this today? Israel isn't even denying it at this point.
I really dont think we can underestimate how the hostage release humiliation rituals have completely hardened Israeli society against Hamas/Gaza/Palestinians. Possibly even more than 10/7 itself.
I know most of you have been conditioned to not view Israelis as human beings, so there is really nothing that could be done to Israelis that would move the needle much, but Israelis do view themselves as human beings so it is a big deal to them.
I honestly think some threshold has been passed where
Israel already tried to "eradicate Hamas," and despite the narrative put forward by the Western media, never even got close (and in fact took their worse casualties of the past year in the week before the ceasefire).
Gazan militants have unlimited manpower, 20 years worth of weapons buildup in underground caches, plenty of unexploded ordinance to turn into IEDs, and far better morale than IDF soldiers who just want to get back to living a US-subsidized first world lifestyle on what the Palestinians believe to be their land.
In addition to this, there are splits in both the American right (Candace Owens/conspiracy types vs Shapiro/neocons) and left (liberals vs leftists) regarding the wisdom of such a course of action.
The only option for Israel is to keep mowing the grass, keep influencing US politicians, pray that public opinion doesn't hit a breaking point to where the funding stops, and accept the fact that 1948 was an original sin that can never be atoned.
Israel is the Ted Bundy of nation states.
Explain why this isn't ethnic cleansing.
How is kicking squatters/refugees off land they don't own ethnic cleansing?
Trump insists US will take Gaza as he meets Jordan's King Abdullah
The audio is stunning!
Corpus Vile, rafiki, BOIDS, gs3737 and of course BLUE deny it. Or did last time they didn't avoid the question altogether.
Odd thing to deny when not even the perpetrators of said ethnic cleansing deny it. They might not call it ethnic cleansing but they are very clear about their intentions.
