GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
Maybe he can watch some of today's basketball and realise that 90s basketball was a joke.
SRS is era-dependant... Low parity and less competitive regular seasons (due to tanking and load management) have inflated the SRS of top teams in recent years.
The fact that Jordan achieved teams with 10+ SRS in an era of great parity and competitive regular seasons is further evidence of his goatness.
Ultimately, Lebron lost to low SRS teams and never achieved teams with 9-11 SRS like Jordan did, despite having the most help ever... Imagine if Jokic teamed up with SGA and KAT, but barely achieved 6 or 7 SRS teams, and barely won 50 with the preseason favorite... This is what Lebron did with Wade/Bosh and Kyrie/Love, or AD... So Lebron's career is a comedy of losing with preseason favorites, top seeds, homecourt, and big 3 super-teams... aka the biggest fraud in sports history.
1) When did Lebron develop a young player from low producer to meaningful producer??
2) When did he win with just a "pippen" instead of needing career 1st options and opposing franchise players? When did he win with normal rosters of 1 franchise player?
3) When did Lebron score on the last possession of a 1-possession game in the Finals??
4) When did Lebron avenge upset losses to 1-star teams like Dwight, Dirk, Ant and Booker?
5) When did Lebron beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring and efficiency from a sidekick? (When did he carry weak help over top teams?).
The irony of saying that when MJ had expansion in the league is hilarious.
Also, lol at comparing SGA with Kyrie and Wade.
.
.
FINALS
^^^ Wade beat the team that beat Duncan and Lebron, while SGA beat one of the worst Finals teams ever
In today's era, Wade might average 40, and his points would occur without being a cheap trick artist and fraud like SGA.
SGA is a 1-trick pony that was lucky to face the worst Finals team ever last year... He's nowhere near Wade, who took over games like Lebron, Kobe, and even Jordan.. Wade wasn't exclusively a simpleton ball-dominator like SGA either.
Again, I would advise against using the opinion of Rachel Nichols and Skip Bayless to make your points (media awards), because I can just point to the actual games to prove my point...
Wade would have MVP's if he didn't get hurt and wasn't competing against Kobe, Lebron and Duncan... Meanwhile, SGA benefitted from Jokic fatigue and also the racism card used on Jokic, and also the sunset of Curry, KD and Lebron's career... He's literally a luckbox of good timing and therefore overrated historically.
Ultimately, prime Wade was so dominant that he was 1st option over Lebron in their 1st playoffs together... Wade had to get old for Lebron to overtake him in the pecking order.. SGA isn't on this level of dominance.. It's actually kind of stunning to think how HORRIFIC a fit that Lebron would have with SGA - 2 dumb ball-dominators and fraudsters like SGA/Lebron would win zero chips together (2 with Wade).
Carry on
Every expansion player was an EXISTING NBA PLAYER.
They had expansion drafts where each team had to give up 2 players.
Accordingly, expansion created the same 30-team league that we have today with the top 400 guys in the world.. People are just dumb or ignorant for thinking it made a difference.
And of course the biggest portion of the league (Americans) were far superior back then, so this made the league infinitely tougher than today's weak fundamentals, video game players and Twitter kings.. It's common knowledge that today's players are mega-rich moguls that could care 2 bird sh*ts about basketball... The league is simply FAR less competitive and this shows in the regular season.. Any team that gives half a sh*t will see higher SRS in today's regular seasons than prior eras.
So let's recap why the SRS of top teams was lower in previous eras.... 1) Parity... 2) Serious regular season (no tanking or load management)... 3) The biggest portion of the league was better (Americans)... 4) Real hate and rivalries (no buddy-buddy or cumbaya).... 5) No money - no super-rich players that could care less.
So everything I said in the previous posts stands and you're wrong about everything again.
It's hilarious watching Jeff Teague's reaction to Rich Paul saying Pippen was just as impactful as Jordan.
The panel eventually starts LAUGHING at pippen once they start getting into the actual numbers.
"how much did pippen average for their first title?
"18"
"How much Mike average"
"32"... (Laughter and guffawing)
"But wait, Pippen did good in 94' with 3rd place MVP"
"3rd for MVP at 22 ppg???"... (more laughter and guffawing)
So it's exactly like I said - Pippen was inflated by the winning spotlight to underserved media accolade, and when people actually look into the numbers, they're SHOCKED at how carried he actually was...
It turns out that not only was Pippen less impactful, but he's actually the most carried 2nd option ever... This is obvious statistical fact for anyone that looks into it, including Teague and company.
(omg they call pippen "Chet" at the 6:26 mark, lmao... People are finally getting it because Rich Paul has forced them to look into the numbers)
Wow. I didn't think it was possible, but Wemby played worse than 07' Lebron.
No one ever averaged 35% shooting with 6 TO's in a series, except Lebron in the 07' Finals, and now Wemby is at 28% and 6 TO's.
Both are worst-ever, at ANY age.
Again, no one has ever played worse than 22-year old Lebron and Wemby in the Finals... Magic, Duncan and Kobe all dominated the Finals at the same age.
(McLovin - probably time to change the thread to "Just kidding MJ the goat obv")
I realized that the reason Lebron took MJ's number 23 is because he didn't have confidence that he could make another number just as famous.
So he pretended that the number 23 had always been famous and so Jordan used it and now Lebron used it ...
But that isn't the case - JORDAN made #23 famous, while Lebron lacked the confidence to be his own man and make another number famous - he knew that he couldn't make it as famous as #23.
Every expansion player was an EXISTING NBA PLAYER.
They had expansion drafts where each team had to give up 2 players.
Accordingly, expansion created the same 30-team league that we have today with the top 400 guys in the world.. People are just dumb or ignorant for thinking it made a difference
.
This may just be the dumbest argument you’ve made in the entire thread.
It is factually incorrect, logically inconsistent, and completely ignorant of how the player pool has massively expanded in 30 years.
Congratulations.
1. Karl Anthony Towns
Wow. I didn't think it was possible, but Wemby played worse than 07' Lebron.No one ever averaged 35% shooting with 6 TO's in a series, except Lebron in the 07' Finals, and now Wemby is at 28% and 6 TO's.Both are worst-ever, at ANY age.Again, no one has ever played worse than 22-year old Lebron and Wemby in the Finals... Magic, Duncan and Kobe all dominated the Finals at the sa
He scored 26 pts. More than Michael Jordan managed in many games.
Here was Michael Jordan in his first NBA Finals game. Choking on a wide open jumper for the game winner.
Fortunately for MJ Magic had Aids and half the of the Lakers were injured, while Pippen played like a superstar so pretty easy picking from there.
This may just be the dumbest argument you’ve made in the entire thread.
It is factually incorrect, logically inconsistent, and completely ignorant of how the player pool has massively expanded in 30 years.
Congratulations.
It's a simple point that I made, so it should be very easy and quick for you to refute it, or explain what you think is wrong about it.
Again, the idea that expansion diluted the NBA player pool with weaker players is false because all the expansion players were EXISTING NBA PLAYERS - so there was no dilution of the player pool.. Expansion created the same 30-team league that we have today with the top 400 guys in the world.
Regardless, there's TONS of horrible teams and cupcakes in today's league - more than previous eras.. Tanking, load management, and rich moguls that don't care 2 bird sh*ts about basketball is the reason for this - the league is simply less competitive because players care less than previous eras..
Furthermore, the biggest portion of the league is weaker (Americans) - Ant, Brunson, and Tatum don't compare to Shaq, Hakeem, MJ, Barkley, Malone, etc, etc - Americans were simply FAR better at basketball.
Here was Michael Jordan in his first NBA Finals game. Choking on a wide open jumper for the game winner.
Lebron is 0-7 on game-winners or tyers in the NBA Finals, while MJ is 4-8.
Lebron is nothing compared to Jordan - a joke - a punchline.
i.e. choker, colluder, cheater, roider, flopper, load-manager, loser
It's ridiculously horrible that Lebron never scored on the last possession of a 1-possession Finals game... It's a testament to his label as the goat choker.
There's no reason that Wemby has to guard him on the perimeter, so the Spurs should figure that out with some sort of matchup zone approach to picking up KAT on the perimeter..
Wemby shouldn't have to go out there... A 6'5" guy can check KAT when he's 25 feet from the hoop - you don't need a 7'5" guy for that.
The Knicks are in great position, and the only red flag that I saw was Brunson's 30 shots... He's dominating the ball, and teams typically catch up to this style as the series progresses.
Btw, what are you guys gonna say if Mike Brown leads the cursed KNICKS to their first title in 56 years???
This would be a goat achievement, and there are clear-cut coaching moves that made this happen.
If NY wins, it makes Mike Brown one of the greatest coaches ever due to turning around 3 horrible franchises at historic levels... He also led Nigeria over our Dream Team.
Accordingly, Lebron had 2 goat coaches (Brown, Spolestra), and 14 years with multiple franchise players on his team (super-teams).. Yet he's been a perennial loser with zero legit rings (full season without teammate bailout)
