GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
lol Michael Jordan has baby hands. That's MJ's new Knickname* in this thread
Yeah, Wemby's hands look just like this. Babies have short stubby fingers. Wemby has long slender fingers. He literally has the opposite to baby hands and you got called out for being 100% wrong.
Wemby's hands look small and fragile, and that's how he played.
Wemby will always be a soft perimeter player... People don't realize how long he's been playing basketball and how much he's already developed and locked in movements.. He ain't ever gettin' a big man game, or a hook shot and I doubt he'll get a turnaround jumper.. Those things require years of learning and understanding how to play like a big.. He can't get that now, so he'll always try to shoot threes and step-backs as a major or even primary offense - this will get destroyed in the playoffs because he'll always lack go-to moves while being the 7th-best step-backer on the court (wasting his height/advantage)... Again, he's a more mobile Shawn Bradley
So maybe try someone else as the goat, since Jokic, Lebron and now Wemby failed, or learn to appreciate the actual Goat for a change
It's probably now fair to say that Wemby has moved past MJ as a better player at the same age. Both as a player and as a winner.
I actually like Wemby.. He's one of the few modern players that has impressed me in various ways like passion and competitiveness.
So I won't dispute this take despite disagreeing.
There's certainly a (losing) case to be made
I know Bob Knight would disagree
Since this post in March where FG agreed that Wemby could be considered better than Michael "Bay Hands" Jordan at the same age, Wemby destroyed the West including beating the defending champs (64 win team) and made it to the Finals. He led the playoffs in PER, VORP & DWS
So, if anything, he's gotten better.
Now all FG does is say how terrible he is, that would imply FG thinks MJ was even worse at the same age.
That must have made MJ a horrible player.
Sad.
Since this post in March where FG agreed that Wemby could be considered better than Michael "Bay Hands" Jordan at the same age, Wemby destroyed the West including beating the defending champs (64 win team) and made it to the Finals. He led the playoffs in PER, VORP & DWSSo, if anything, he's gotten better.Now all FG does is say how terrible he is, that would imply FG thinks MJ
Lebron and Wemby's ability is sufficient until they reach the Finals or championship level.. That's the level that historically embarrasses them and their ability is no longer competitive, especially in the clutch.. Their stats and ability turns into Brian Scalabrine in clutch-time, while their team record is worst-ever.
They're the only players where their choking is so bad that you want to cover your face.. The only time I felt that way was the 07' Finals, 11' Finals, 14' Finals, and 26' Finals - all these series are noted for the historic futility and embarrassment of the losing team or 1st option..
Ultimately, what would you rather have - a guy whose best teams have a lottery record on the championship level, or a guy whose best teams were unbeatable on the championship level (the best teams of all-time)... Which one is the fugazi fraud, and which one is the real deal goat?... Sorry but it's clear that the guy who dominates the championship level is vastly superior to the guy that isn't competitive on the championship level (worst team record ever and worst individual performances/chokes)
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There have been 25 seasons of 30 ppg by a shooting guard
Michael Jordan (8 seasons)..... 32.9 on 51.6%
Everyone else (17 seasons)..... 31.6 on 46.4%
No one in history had this kind of efficiency advantage at their position, which makes MJ the most efficient scorer ever
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There have been 25 seasons of 30 ppg by a shooting guard
Michael Jordan (8 seasons)..... 32.9 on 51.6%
Everyone else (17 seasons)..... 31.6 on 46.4%
No one in history had this kind of efficiency advantage at their position, which makes MJ the most efficient scorer ever
In seasons averaging over 30.
Michael Jordan - eFG% - 52.5%
James Harden - eFG% - 54.5%
Steph Curry - eFG% - 61.9%
SGA - eFG% - 56.6%
All 3 of them are also significantly better free throw shooters.
But, yes, MJ definitely the most efficient...
lol @ not thinking Kobe choked in 2004. Got out-played by Billups. Worst performance ever by a team. Swept 4-0.
In seasons averaging over 30.
Michael Jordan - eFG% - 52.5% (48.9 - 3.6 gap)
James Harden - eFG% - 54.5% (52.5 - 2.0 gap)
Steph Curry - eFG% - 61.9% (52.0 - 10.0 gap)
SGA - eFG% - 56.6% (54.5 - 2.1 gap)
^^^ League average in bold, followed by the gap.
Accordingly, Curry is the only guy that's more efficient than MJ based on efg...
However, shooting efficiency falls under the umbrella of efficiency per possession (ortg) where MJ's was the highest despite using the most possessions (usage)..
So again, MJ is the most efficient scorer BY FAR when we consider efficiency per possession (ortg) of 30 ppg seasons... He's also the most efficient when it comes to FG% - Jordan made the highest proportion of shots taken among great perimeter scorers..
Again, these are MASSIVE ADVANTAGES for Jordan in ortg and fg%, despite far higher ppg and burden... It's safe to say that no one in history scored EXCEPT Jordan because he was that much better than everyone else at it.
Of course Shai and Harden are gimmicky and fraud scorers that get destroyed in the playoffs against any good team.. Never bring them up in comparison to Jordan - those guys are what Jordan would be if Jordan ONLY used live dribbling/downhill, aka 1-dimensional scoring.. and had baby hands
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2007 1ST ROUND
JAMISON..... 32/10 on 48%
LEBRON........ 28/9 on 43%
Lebron also had Hughes getting 19 ppg and Drew Gooden at 15/10, while Zydrunas averaged 19/11.
Lebron's Cavs simply had better casts than their Eastern opponents.. Even the ECF saw a 50-win 2 seed "upset" a 53-win 1 seed.. Boobie completely carried Lebron in the closeout Game 6, while Lebron only averaged 25 ppg for the series, which would be the worst series of Jordan's career.
Players that choked so bad that you wanted to cover your face:
1) Wemby - 2026 Finals
2) Lebron - 2011 Finals
3) Lebron - 2007 Finals
4) "Tragic" Johnson - 1984 Finals
5) Lebron - 2014 Finals
6) Isiah - 1987 ECF (Bird steal)
If you look at the 2009 Orlando Magic roster that played in the ECF, it's an absolute trash roster, so there's no excuse for Lebron losing as one of the 5 biggest favorites to ever lose a series... His numbers look good on paper, just like Wemby's but he didn't really know how to play or lead, and stunk in the clutch.
The eye test shows a 100% downhill attack, while the stats show this simpleton approach cratered in the 4th quarter and clutch-time - he had 7 turnovers in the 4th and OT of Game 4 to choke the series away... Overall, he became a 12 turnover per game player in clutch-time for the series and therefore the biggest turnover machine of all-time.. He also slanked defensively and guarded Courtney Lee, while his jumpshooting efficiency slanked to 30% in the 4th, aka a bricklaying turnover machine when it mattered
What that 2009 Magic team was sick.
Dwight, Jameer Nelson, Hedo, Rashad Lewis. Competent role players.
If Memphis never gifted LA with Paul Gasol then they'd be champs.
Yeah that Orlando team was very good. You think FG would love Dwight, with all that highly assisted BS.
Of course Kobe ruined Dwight, but that was to be expected.
Imagine not having Jordan in 95 and Kobe in 04 on your biggest choke lists.
Here's the actual biggest upsets in a series btw.
Only Kobe's Lakers got swept.
Edit - lol Chat GPT got the Lakers vs Houston wrong way around. No one would have expected LeBron to be GOATing at his age.
Oops sorry. Wasn't a sweep. 4-1. At least LeBron made Game 6.
lol Lakers only scored 68 points in pivotal Game 3. Kobe shot 4/13 with 4 TOs. Amazing.
I didn't realise how bad the Lakers got beaten too. Only one of the 4 losses in single digits. And that was 8 points.
Kobe had a GameScore of 11.6. lol
LeBron vs Magic was 29.3. He averaged 39/9/8
lol
LeBron plays on that Lakers team and they would have won it in 6.
I forgot how bad MJ was in Game 6 of the 1988 ECF. In a close out game he had 8 TOs and missed 7 free throws.
And that was immediately after Game 5 where he went all "relaxed" and only took 8 field goals.
Can't believe the Bulls were up 2-1 in that series.
Should have won it. If only they had a closer like LeBron.
OMG he went 5/15 in Game 3.
Man....
What that 2009 Magic team was sick.
Dwight, Jameer Nelson, Hedo, Rashad Lewis. Competent role players.
If Memphis never gifted LA with Paul Gasol then they'd be champs.
This is the type of bs that I hate
Jameer Nelson didn't play in the series - he was the Magic's all-star point guard and he was out for the series.
Hedo, Rashard Lewis and company is a BUM CAST and that's why they were one of the biggest underdogs to ever win... At the time, Mo Williams was considered the 3rd best player in the series behind Lebron/Dwight.. But it doesn't matter because the Magic weren't considered a good cast, hence the underdog status.
The Magic were a 1-star team that Lebron lost to as a massive favorite... And he did it by choking Game 4 (7 TO's in the 4th and OT, while getting outplayed by Dwight)
07' Lebron Finals..... 22 on 35% (6 TO's) <---- choke
08' Lebron ECSF....... 26 on 35% (5 TO's) <---- choke
10' Lebron ECSF....... 26 on 43% (goat meltdown) <---- choke
11' Lebron Finals...... 18 on 48% <---- choke
95' Jordan ECSF......... 30 on 48% <---- not a choke
So you sound dumb comparing Jordan's worst to Lebron's worst, which is literally the worst ever - no one ever shot 35% with 6 TO's in a series except Lebron in 07' or 08', and no one had a goat choke like Lebron in 10' or 11'.. No one lost by record amount except Lebron in 14'... He's a joke that has simply been misreported on, and you fell for it lol
I forgot how bad MJ was in Game 6 of the 1988 ECF. In a close out game he had 8 TOs and missed 7 free throws.
And that was immediately after Game 5 where he went all "relaxed" and only took 8 field goals.
Can't believe the Bulls were up 2-1 in that series.
Should have won it. If only they had a closer like LeBron.
The 89' ECF = 15' Finals for Lebron.
Case closed... Jordan never choked.
Otoh, Lebron lost last straight 3 games to lose many series like the 07' Finals, 10' ECSF, 11' Finals, 14' Finals, 18' Finals, 21' 1st Round, 23' WCF.
YIKES.. lebron is horrible
So again, Lebron is the biggest choker and fraud in history, which you fell for lol
I didn't realise how bad the Lakers got beaten too. Only one of the 4 losses in single digits. And that was 8 points.
Kobe had a GameScore of 11.6. lol
LeBron vs Magic was 29.3. He averaged 39/9/8
lol
LeBron plays on that Lakers team and they would have won it in 6.
Luol Deng easily wins the 11' Finals in Lebron's place - almost ANYONE would've won in his place, let alone Kobe.
Kobe also wouldn't care who was dating his Mom, so he wouldn't meltdown in 2010.
Otoh, Lebron was upset a record 3 straight years 09-11'), so he has all the records for futility, such as the goat meltdown (10'), the goat choke (11'), the record loss (14'), woat performance (07'), lottery during prime (19'), and bevies of sweeps with preseason favorites... NO ONE underperforms rosters like "bron-ball".
