GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
^^^ that would be one of the 3 worst series of Jordan's career.
The Spurs' cast scored more in this series than any series that Jordan played.
Wemby is simply bad at scoring compared to Jordan... But don't feel embarrassed about it because everyone is - Jordan averaged 5 more points than everyone in playoff history (KD, Lebron, Curry, Kobe, etc)..
Imagine if Lebron averaged FIVE MORE POINTS for his playoff career (with better efficiency per possession) - he would be an entirely different caliber of player.
I'd explain betting odds to you, but you don't understand them so I won't make the effort.
You don't understand betting odds, and that's why you don't understand that a bet on Lebron in the preseason fared worse and made the least money compared to his peers - no one underachieved the preseason expectation like Lebron, so you make the least money betting on Lebron compared to anyone else.
Do you understand these facts, or should I explain them further?.. Do we need to bust out the actual odds and compare how Lebron did compared to his peers - he did the worst of anyone because he's the biggest fraud in sports history.
Lebron is the worst preseason bet you can make compared to Curry, MJ, Duncan and pretty much ANY all-time great - no one in history underachieved expectation more.
Remeber when you didn't know what +500 meant?
^^^ that would be one of the 3 worst series of Jordan's career.The Spurs' cast scored more in this series than any series that Jordan played.Wemby is simply bad at scoring compared to Jordan... But don't feel embarrassed about it because everyone is - Jordan averaged 5 more points than everyone in playoff history (KD, Lebron, Curry, Kobe, etc).. Imagine if Lebron averaged FIVE
Most people realise that the game is more than scoring.
Or are you taking Harden over Duncan?
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SRS of Heat's conference finals opponents
2023....... 6th (swept)
2020...... 10th
2017...... 8th
2018...... 7th
2016...... 6th
2015...... 4th
2014...... 8th
2013...... 9th
2012.... 12th
2011..... 2nd
2010.... 12th
2009...... 4th (historic upset loss)
2007...... 6th
Lebron's team-ups with opposing franchise players diluted the conference so he faced trash, while Jordan always beat top 5 SRS teams to make the Finals, or a dynasty (91' Pistons).
Lebron also never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (never carried weak help over top teams).
Nope.. Everyone realizes that the game of basketball is about putting the ball in the basket (scoring).
Scoring is the only stat that directly impacts the scoreboard and it's the only stat that a team can't win with less than the opponent (teams can win with less rebounds or steals, but never less scoring).
Finally, carrying the "star" category of scoring requires less stars, thereby allowing GM's to find the right defenders/others, aka elite roster construction... Essentially, a player that can carry the offense allows a team to build defensive rosters/win with defense.
It's intuitive and bball 101 that the best scorers can defeat max defensive attention (aka carry the scoring load on the championship level and throughout title runs).
Carrying the scoring load allows winning with less offensive help and therefore defensive rosters (aka Spurs, Bulls, Warriors - the only dynasties of the play-by-play era).
Obviously, since Harden's numbers crater in the playoffs, and since he lacks the brand of ball at high scoring levels to beat top teams (too ball-dominant), he can't carry the scoring load or make the Finals to begin with.. The same goes for Lebron, except he cheated to make the Finals by teaming up with opponents (but still couldn't successfully carry the scoring load, aka defeat max defensive attention).
The term "he's a pippen" came about to describe a secondary producer that WASN'T a top guy.
For example, Shaq isn't a "pippen"... Neither is Luka, Wade, or AD.. However, Klay is clearly a "pippen"... Middleton was a pippen... So on, and so forth.
Aside from all-time floor generals like Kidd or Magic, franchise players are typically elite scorers... Otherwise, it's hard to build great teams if everyone has to be worse than a non-dominant player and low scorer like Pippen, Klay, Middleton and other secondary producers..
Career 2nd options like Klay or Pippen enter the league as extremely low producers that need a ton of development and that teams would never build around.. Pippen was simply gifted a fully-developed organization and dynasty in 94', which he cratered to nothing in less than 18 months.
Hypothetical
You take 100 random people with no history of basketbalk.
You make them watch 30 hours of gameplay between MJ and Lebron.
And then ask them who's better.
I bet like 95% would say Jordan.
True...
Lebron's high points are mostly dunks and stiff-arm drives, while his weaker brand of ball and chemistry required "more help" for 25 years and counting.
For their careers, both Jordan and Lebron have great records in the 1st Round, 2nd Round and conference finals.
It's only the Finals where Lebron can't compete, aka lottery record, goat individual choke, goat team loss, 0-7 on last possession, aka Lebron can't compete on the championship level.
new thread title per your request good sir:
Wemby = GOAT. MJ playing for 2nd. Super AIDS Containment thread
I'm cheering for Wemby.. I need him to win to further grow the sample size and validity of my theory.
Unfortunately, this series smells a little bit like 2012, when KD surprisingly stomped the red-hot Spurs - but then the young guns were outclassed by experienced veterans in the Finals that were ravenous for a title.. However, the difference is that these Knicks are 1st-timers in the Finals too, despite being veterans, so there's no swagger of a FMVP like Wade, or MVP like Lebron.
Nope.. Everyone realizes that the game of basketball is about putting the ball in the basket (scoring).Scoring is the only stat that directly impacts the scoreboard and it's the only stat that a team can't win with less than the opponent (teams can win with less rebounds or steals, but never less scoring).Finally, carrying the "star" category of scoring requires less stars, the
Harden averages more ppg than Duncan in the playoffs and has 8 of the top 9 ppg averages between the two.
So, you're obviously taking Harden because... you know... sort by ppg.
I love that you used Spurs as a dynasty for someone who carried the scoring load. That isn't how that team worked.
Here's Duncan's ppg in the playoffs.
He didn't even lead them in points in one of their Championships and in another two he led the team by a couple of points per game.
Excellent way of contradicting your own theory.
Lebron is already out of consideration, which shows how much of a fraud he always was - the first 22-year old phenom that comes along knocks him out of consideration, so now it's just Wemby and MJ.
Tbh, I don't think Wemby would do nearly as well in previous eras where he would face far more size, physicality, and packed paints (no spacing - no teammates shooting threes).. And he would face far superior frontcourts than today's game... Ultimately, I don't respect any of the stats from today's era - it's the stat inflation era.
I love that you used Spurs as a dynasty for someone who carried the scoring load. That isn't how that team worked.Here's Duncan's ppg in the playoffs. He didn't even lead them in points in one of their Championships and in another two he led the team by a couple of points per game.Excellent way of contradicting your own theory.
FINALS
99' Duncan....... 27 ppg
99' Robinson.... 17 ppg
03' Duncan....... 25 ppg
03' Parker'........ 15 ppg
^^^ Since Duncan could carry the scoring load on the highest level and throughout title runs, he didn't need powerhouses and opposing franchise players like Wade, AD, or Luka... Secondary producers like Manu and Parker were enough.. Furthermore, 25 ppg in 03' is easily 30+ in today's era and most eras.
So you're wrong as usual - Duncan could carry the "star" category of scoring, so he required less star help and allowed the GM to find defenders like Bowen.. Otoh, Lebron can't carry the scoring load, so GM's must obtain the league's best scorers to put alongside him at the expense of defenders/others, aka NO elite roster construction.
Btw, 22-year Duncan won FMVP, yet the media will have you believe that Lebron was the best 22-year old ever.. Lebron isn't even a top ten 22-year old, or certainly not top 5.. Duncan, Magic, Wemby, Jordan and Kobe were easily superior...
Heck, 22-year old Amare averaged 37 on 55% against the Spurs, while Lebron averaged 22 on 35% with 6 TO's - it's the worst anyone ever played, so Lebron isn't a top ten 22-year old..
Harden averages more ppg than Duncan in the playoffs and has 8 of the top 9 ppg averages between the two.
So, you're obviously taking Harden because... you know... sort by ppg.
Excessive ball-dominance can't beat top teams, so Harden can't SUCCESSFULLY carry the scoring load against top teams..
That's the issue - he scores a lot but his bad brand of ball prevents him from carrying the scoring load against top teams, so he needs more help.
Ditto Lebron and most ball-dominators.. They always lose and need more help because they're ball-dominant losers... Accordingly, they need another great scorer to offset their ball-dominance, such as AD, Kyrie or Wade, plus franchise guys at 3rd option too (aka PATHETIC AND FRAUD).
Ultimately, any time you see a high-scoring primary ballhandler (ball-dominator), you should know that they need a ton of help because their brand of ball and chemistry is weak.. This prevents them from successfully carrying the scoring load, thereby needing a sh*t ton of help.
FINALS 99' Duncan....... 27 ppg99' Robinson.... 17 ppg03' Duncan....... 25 ppg03' Parker'........ 15 ppg^^^ Since Duncan could carry the scoring load on the highest level and throughout title runs, he didn't need powerhouses and opposing franchise players like Wade, AD, or Luka... Secondary producers like Manu and Parker were enough.. Furthermore, 25 ppg in 03' is easily 30+ in
Gee I wonder why you choose those Finals?
Why not 2007 when Parker outscored him by 6ppg, or 2005 when he scored only 20ppg, or 2013 when he scored 18ppg.
You are so disingenous.
Duncan is the perfect example of why your "points is all that matters" is dumb.
And the problem you have is you are arguing against yourself.
Gee I wonder why you choose those Finals?
Why not 2007 when Parker outscored him by 6ppg, or 2005 when he scored only 20ppg, or 2013 when he scored 18ppg.
You are so disingenous.
Duncan is the perfect example of why your "points is all that matters" is dumb.
And the problem you have is you are arguing against yourself.
A player doesn't have to carry the scoring load every time - only MJ did that.
Accordingly, unlike Duncan and others, the issue with Lebron is that he's never carried the scoring load on the championship level despite having more chances than anyone... His inability to carry the scoring load requires GM's to surround him with ridiculous scoring help, which prevents the acquisition of defenders and elite roster construction, aka "needs more help" - the story of Lebron's career.
It's historical fact that Lebron needed the most scoring help ever, such as sidekicks that were scoring champs, FMVP's, or top 5 all-time PER's, and then franchise guys at 3rd option too.. This need for ridiculous scoring help is why GM's don't have room to get him defenders.. Ultimately, Lebron's ball-dominance prevents him from elite roster construction/carrying the scoring load, while the ball-dominance also imposes spot-up roles and prevents elite chemistry/brand of ball/winning.. So Lebron prevents elite roster construction and elite chemistry or brand of ball.
What?
LeBron series averaging over 30ppg
Duncan had 1 of them.
Love you guys but i can't believe you argued that Pippen was better than Jordan because Karl Malone said so.
FG - Who was better. Wemby in the WCF, or MJ in the 96 Finals?
FG - Has MJ ever played poorly?
OKC was overrated because Chet has always been more like Clint Capela than people realize, and was simply inflated by the winning spotlight to All-NBA status...
Career 2nd or 3rd options need the winning spotlight of titles to make All-NBA, and Chet is the best example of this yet - i.e. Chet, Klay, Pippen, Jalen Williams, Manu , Parker, Dumars, Worthy, etc
Btw, MJ carried a sidekick that averaged 15.7 on 34% and played 4 on 5 offensively with Rodman... So he faced max defensive attention (no offensive help), yet he still achieved a 3-0 lead/4th chip... Otoh, teammates led Wemby in scoring for several games and hit a lot of big shots.
