GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

Highest game scores in the NBA Finals. LeBron delivering on the biggest stage as always. Had to go to number 11 before finding a MJ game.

You make some great points but if Delonte West was ****ing his mom, I definitely think he would care

wat? That's a disgusting post.

Got to give it to fallguy, no matter how stupid his worst post in a year is, he finds a way to make a worse one the next year. Absolutely disgusting stuff there.

Lebron's Mom was SINGLE and Lebron should've been used to her dating various men, so it proves that he's a child in his own mind and a Mama's boy... This explains his constant fear and choking.. If Jordan, Kobe, or any grown man's mom was single, they wouldn't care that their Mom is dating someone.. It was literally childlike for Lebron to meltdown like that.. He also should've already known they were dating, so it shows that he isn't really respected or competent, and is probably kept in the dark a lot.

Btw, it's a documented fact that Kobe hated his parents.. He could've dropped 50 knowing they were homeless and on the street.. He probably would've reveled in it.

And he was never more clutch than when he played for his freedom during the rape case.. No other athlete in history could've done that, which is why MJ said that Kobe was MORE MENTALLY STRONG THAN HIM - let that sink in.

Btw - like father like son, and MJ was a philanderer.. Otoh, Lebron didn't have a father - his mom was his "everything", so he was never taught how to think like a man, hence the goat meltdown in the 2010 playoffs... His 34 on 53% averages became 21 on 34% for the last 3 games - he went from Jordan to Smush Parker...

edited above with better points made

Btw, I had gotten that info from the police report

Again, edited above with better points made, and the info from the original post was taken from police reports.. but I'm glad it pissed you off

Lol, so I'm to blame for Lebron lacking awareness, competence, or the respect of family & teammates that kept him in the dark??

If I said something inaccurate, then you can let me know, but don't blame me for Lebron's incompetence or lack of peers' respect, and the resulting bad experiences (goat meltdown in 2010).

Recent thread cliffs

1) How much respect could a player truly command if teammates and family hide a benign fact that one of them is dating their mom???... The 2010 meltdown confirms that Lebron lacks awareness or competence, and also leadership and true respect from teammates.. Kobe and Jordan were simply more mature, competent, and RESPECTED, so they were overall winners on the highest level (Finals) and didn't have bevies of chokes/underachievements like Lebron.

2) Nick Wright says that Wemby isn't the best in the world because he was exposed in the Finals... However, he says that Lebron was the best since 2007, despite playing worse than anyone ever has in those Finals.. Lebron wet the bed far worse than Wemby in the 07', 08', 10' and 11' Playoffs, yet Nick rewards Lebron with "best player" status and takes it away from Wemby.

3) Nick also says that Brunson is currently the best player because of his dominant scoring and clutch while winning a title, yet Kobe was never the best player despite doing the exact same thing in 09' and 10'.

If Delonte is the excuse for 2010, what's the excuse for 2011?

The point is that if it wasn't Delonte, it would've been something else.... some other excuse.

"b-b-but he banged my mom!!" is the greatest excuse I've ever heard - the goat excuse.

But seriously, finding out someone is dating your single mother isn't a big deal AT ALL.. lebron simply overreacted, for all the reasons specified previously.

I didn't say it was his excuse for losing in 2010, I just said I think Kobe would care if his mom was ****ing like Lamar Odom.

What is the closest to confirmed that the West story has ever gotten? I think Stephen A has hinted it is true a few different times.

I remember at the time thinking it sounded too BS and sensational to be true. Like they picked the craziest guy on the team to pair her with.

If it wasn't Delonte, what was the reason for Lebron suddenly cratering to 21 on 34% for the last 3 games?

Regardless of the reason, it was a choke as the prohibitive favorite, just like 2011 - he had a 7-year organic juggernaut in 2010 with a goat coach, top defenses and a 20k sidekick plus Mo Williams

^^^ This top 10 upset of all-time was caused by 7 turnovers in the 4th and OT of Game 4, along with a turnover for every 25 seconds of clutch-time, and a woat defensive decision to guard Lee.. also 30% on jumpers in the 4th, aka beginner jumpshooter that was restricted to downhill seemingly 100% of the time, which limited the team style of play

You're saying Kobe was mentally tough after raping someone, and then described the rape.

You then thought this was a good thing.

I really says something about you as a person.

I'm done for a while.

You should probably spend some time away from this and reconsider your thought processes.

I have temp-banned fallguy for 7 days for reasons posted above by fidstar.

Tuma wins the thread.

I really feel like I should just lock it up and change the tempban of fallguy to a permanent one.

He’s been spiraling quite badly for some time now.

I've decided since Tuma essentially won the thread, and the GOAT discussion between Jordan and LeBron has essentially run its course, that I am going to lock this thread.

If Wemby in a few years does amazing things, then we can start a new thread. But this thread is done.

If anyone (looking at you fallguy when your tempban ends) starts a GOAT NBA Discussion thread in the near future, I will be locking it as well.

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The 2019 Lakers were worse with Lebron than 2018 without him:

2018 Lakers.... 21st SRS.. 21st net rating... 35 wins.. lottery.. 23rd ortg.. 12th drtg
2019 Lakers.... 23rd SRS.. 23rd net rating.. 37 wins.. lottery.. 24th ortg.. 12th drtg

Josh Hart, Caruso, Rondo and KCP are champions, while Ingram is an all-star, so the Lakers weren't "lost" or "headed nowhere" prior to Lebron - they had championship pieces but Lebron stunted their growth in 2019, so they were still headed nowhere after that season. Lebron hadn't saved or rescued anything.

AD was required to lift the Lakers out of lottery by leading the scoring and carrying the defense (12th to 1st).. He also led the playoff scoring, while carrying the Lakers to the Finals over Jokic and spotting the Lakers a 2-0 lead in the Finals (34 ppg).

So it's AD that saved the Lakers' franchise, not Lebron.. Everyone is simply being lied to... AD was the first player to turn a lottery team into champion in 1 year - it was a goat season and he was the obvious MVP (and DPOY)... Unfortunately, he was robbed by the media's need to keep the goat debate alive.. It's a shame that today's society is permeated with fraud.

* What teammate has Lebron ever made better than they were before they joined him?

* When has he had great fits with everyone?

In his prime, his talent plus a couple other stars won titles rarely and by the skin of their teeth due to his worst-ever chemistry and fits... Now that he's old, his worst-ever chemistry and fits will destroy any team that gives him major minutes..

This isn't even my opinion - the on-off numbers confirm this over recent years..

Ultimately, no one has as many documented bad fits as Lebron because he's the most ball-dominant player ever.. He starts in the frontcourt, so his ball-dominance is abnormal.. His abnormal ball-dominance reduces everyone's assists and increases their assisted buckets, aka turns everyone into spot-up shooter.. These spot-up roles reduce everyone's assists and produces low assist teams, while preventing the type of sophisticated offense that trounce him in the playoffs and Finals.

Specifically, Lebron's playoff record is 14-36 against ball movement teams like the Spurs, Warriors and Nuggets, in addition to 22-33 against Finals teams, while also having upset-losses to numerous 1-star teams (Dirk, Dwight, Booker and Ant).

Ultimately, Lebron's worst-ever chemistry and fits underachieves rosters the most in history by having a losing record with every type of good roster, aka preseason favorites (3-4), Finals teams (4-6), 1 or 2 seeds (4-5), all-star teammates (4-9).. By definition, the real goat should be unbeatable the instant they get a modicum of help, and therefore unbeaten in all of these scenarios.

Lebron's worst-ever chemistry and fits requires the most help, such as franchise players as teammates that no one else has... Specifically, Jokic or Giannis were forced to win with secondary producers as teammates and would be considered a failure for only winning 1 title with Luka or AD.. Otoh, Lebron is protected by the media and praised despite underachieving with unprecedented help.

surely the bad poster containment thread was created for this guy?

Any intelligent person can see that you are a liar.

I'm a bad poster for pointing out that Lebron lowers everyone's assists and produces low assist teams?

This is statistical fact.

The stats of Lebron lowering everyone's assists back up the eye test of him turning everyone into spot-up shooter (thus lowering their assists).. Lebron and his game have been solved since 2014, which is why he gets destroyed by ball movement teams like the Warriors/Spurs/Nuggets (14-36), or Finals teams (22-33), while getting upset by 1-star teams (Dirk, Dwight, Booker, Ant)..

Ultimately, his worst-ever chemistry and fits underachieved favored rosters more than anyone in history.. Specifically, no one had more preseason favorites than Lebron, yet he's 3-4 in seasons that he was the preseason favorite.. He's also 4-6 with Finals teams or 4-5 with 1 or 2 seeds.. The guy is just a loser that operates out of fear - he couldn't even choose his own number because he feared it wouldn't be as big as #23, then he team hops around trying to guarantee titles.

All-In-McLovin is the liar, since he said he was closing the thread.

And yet the simplest reverse psychology got the thread re-opened.

I assume Fidstar understood the ruse, but maybe not.. You call this "lying", but it's called "winning", which I've been doing continuously itt - this is just another example..