LeBron > Jordan GOAT Super AIDS Containment, solved #22999 post by Matt R. (addendum #23174)

Oh, Fallguy. The self-proclaimed Gatekeeper of GOAT Discourse, the human embodiment of a "Basketball Boomer," and the poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect. He’s been getting absolutely eviscerated in this thread so hard that forensic scientists might have to step in and investigate what’s left of his dignity.

Fallguy’s Greatest Misses: A Hall of Shame Induction
1. “SIX RINGS, BRO” – The Intellectual Depth of a Kiddie Pool
Fallguy clings to Jordan’s six rings like a shipwreck survivor gripping a floating door, hoping no one notices how insanely reductive this argument is. Bill Russell has 11, Robert Horry has 7—by Fallguy logic, they're better than Jordan. Forum members have dragged him through this fallacy multiple times, but much like a flat-earther looking at satellite images, he just refuses to process reality.

2. “LeBron Faced No Real Competition” – When Delusion Meets Dementia
Fallguy seems to believe the NBA was a mythical war zone in Jordan’s time but is now just a soft, cupcake-filled stroll through the park. He’s completely wiped from his brain that LeBron had to fight through the Spurs Dynasty, the Peak Warriors, and prime Kevin Durant. Meanwhile, Jordan’s biggest Finals threats were a washed-up Lakers squad, a Sonics team no one respects, and a Jazz team that was the NBA equivalent of a dad playing YMCA pickup at age 40. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your raging nostalgia trip, Fallguy!

3. “Jordan Would Dominate LeBron One-on-One” – The Wet Dream of an NBA Dinosaur
The idea that a 6'6", 198-pound guard would somehow bully a 6'9", 250-pound locomotive with the agility of a guard and the strength of a power forward is straight-up NBA fanfiction. Fallguy’s love for Jordan is so deep he might as well start a candlelit vigil for him every night and whisper sweet nothings to an old Wheaties box with MJ on it.

Fallguy’s Dark Triad: A Psychological Horror Show
1. Narcissism – The Unshakable Confidence of an Idiot
Fallguy speaks with the authority of a tenured professor but has the analytical skills of a Facebook uncle ranting about "real basketball". He’s been dunked on in this thread so many times that forum members should be credited with blocks in NBA stat sheets. Yet, he still thinks he’s winning—the same way a fly probably thinks it’s outmaneuvering a windshield.

2. Machiavellianism – The King of Mental Gymnastics
Ever notice how Fallguy never actually acknowledges counterpoints? He just moves the goalposts faster than Usain Bolt. He’ll say “Rings matter,” but when someone brings up Russell, he pivots to “Finals MVPs.” When that fails, he’s onto “Killer Instinct” or some other unprovable, made-up nonsense. At this point, he’s basically doing logical parkour to avoid admitting he’s wrong.

3. Psychopathy – The Complete Lack of Self-Awareness
Fallguy genuinely believes there’s a conspiracy against him. He can’t fathom that multiple intelligent posters just think he’s an idiot—he has to assume there’s some deep-seated bias, or that people are all “LeBron fanboys” out to get him. Watching him flail in paranoia is like watching a guy lose a chess match to a grandmaster and then accuse the entire tournament of being rigged against him.

Final Verdict: A Hall-of-Fame-Level Forum Flogging
If this thread were a boxing match, Fallguy would’ve been TKO’d in the first round and stretchered out of the building. Instead, he keeps staggering back in, face swollen, delusions intact, screaming, “JORDAN NEVER LOST IN THE FINALS!” as the crowd pelts him with game tape of Jordan getting torched by the Bad Boy Pistons.

At this point, he’s not even a participant in the debate—he’s the piñata everyone takes turns smacking. Keep going, Fallguy. You’re providing the rest of us with endless entertainment.

Oh, Fallguy, the Picasso of bad basketball takes, has graced us with yet another masterpiece of facepalm-inducing nonsense—his grand theory of Assisted Field Goal Percentage™ (AFGP). This time, he’s discovered a “smoking gun” that supposedly proves LeBron is an inferior player and incapable of leading a dominant dynasty.

Yes, folks, according to Fallguy’s galaxy-brained analysis, because LeBron creates his own shots more than Jordan, that actually makes him worse. Somewhere, a team of scientists is frantically working to decipher how this level of mental gymnastics is physically possible.

Fallguy’s Assisted Field Goal Percentage Disaster: The Stupidest Argument Yet
Let’s break this down, just so we can fully appreciate how brain-meltingly bad this take is.

LeBron's Lower Assisted FG% = "Bad for Dynasties" (??? What???)

According to Fallguy, because LeBron generates more of his own shots, it means he “doesn’t fit within a dominant dynasty system.”
This is genuinely one of the dumbest things ever posted on the internet, and that includes flat-earther forums and people who think birds aren’t real.
Jordan Had a Higher Assisted FG% – And That’s… a Good Thing Now?

Normally, higher reliance on assists would be seen as evidence that a player was more dependent on teammates for scoring (which Fallguy would normally use as an insult).
But since it’s MJ, Fallguy does a complete 180 and suddenly being more reliant on teammates is a sign of superior leadership.
By this logic, Shaq must be the best perimeter player ever since he was assisted on most of his buckets, right?
LeBron "Does Too Much Himself"—Which is… Bad?

LeBron has been forced to carry multiple garbage teams to the Finals, shouldering an insane load in playmaking, scoring, and defense.
Somehow, this is now a flaw because it means he doesn’t let teammates create for him enough?
The mental hoops Fallguy has to jump through to make this point should qualify him for Olympic-level gymnastics.
How the Forum Bodybagged Fallguy Over This
The second Fallguy started pushing this nonsense, the forum pounced on him like sharks on a minnow with a head injury. Here are just a few of the ways they torched him:

"So you're saying LeBron is too self-sufficient? How is that a knock against him?"

This one hit Fallguy so hard he had to pretend he didn’t see it. Classic move.
"Jordan had a higher assisted FG% because he played in the Triangle Offense, a system built around team passing and movement. LeBron has never played in a system like that. You’re comparing apples to oranges."

A perfectly valid point. Naturally, Fallguy ignored it completely and doubled down.
"Wait, so if LeBron let his teammates spoon-feed him more, then he'd be better? That makes no sense."

A beautiful moment of forum unity, as everyone collectively realized Fallguy had outdone even himself in stupidity.
Fallguy’s Dark Triad on Full Display – Now with Extra Delusion
By this point, Fallguy’s dark triad personality traits are in full bloom, like a rotten flower that just keeps smelling worse.

Narcissism – The Genius Who Outthought Himself

Fallguy genuinely believes he’s cracked the code on why LeBron isn’t as good as MJ, despite literally everyone pointing out how laughably dumb this take is.
He’s been disproven dozens of times yet still struts around the thread like he’s a basketball analytics savant, refusing to admit he’s been cooked.
Machiavellianism – Moving the Goalposts Like a Magician

Any time someone points out the flaws in his theory, he just makes up a new rule.
“No, no, you don’t get it. It’s not just about assisted FG%, it’s about… um… the dynasty compatibility factor! Yeah, that’s a thing!”
If he had to testify in court, he’d just keep inventing new laws on the spot until the judge lost patience.
Psychopathy – The Delusional Victim Complex

Fallguy genuinely believes that everyone calling him out is part of a mass conspiracy to suppress the truth.
It’s not that his arguments are bad—it’s that the entire forum is colluding against him, probably funded by Nike and LeBron’s PR team.
Final Verdict: Fallguy Just Embarrassed Himself Worse Than Ever
This thread will go down in forum history as the moment Fallguy finally jumped the shark, backflipped over it, and landed straight into a dumpster fire.

His AFGP theory makes zero sense
The entire forum has united in roasting him
He’s refusing to back down, despite being statistically, logically, and historically bodied into oblivion
At this point, even Jordan himself would tell Fallguy to sit the hell down and stop making his fanbase look stupid. But he won’t—because he’s too deep in his own delusion to realize how badly he’s been obliterated.

Rest in peace, Fallguy’s credibility. You were never strong to begin with, but this AFGP debacle was the final nail in the coffin.

Oh, Fallguy, the master of unintentional comedy, here you are again, scrambling like a cat in a bathtub, desperately trying to salvage what’s left of your credibility. You keep saying my response is "inaccurate," yet—shocker—you provide exactly zero evidence, no counterpoints, and nothing resembling an actual argument. Just the same broken-record nonsense that got you obliterated in the first place.

So, let’s take a moment to put you in your place properly because clearly, you need a personalized beatdown.

Fallguy’s Strategy: The Art of Getting Owned and Pretending It’s Fine
It’s almost impressive how badly you keep losing this argument while acting like you’re in control. Let’s break down your signature moves so everyone can fully appreciate the depth of your delusion.

1. "Your Response Is Inaccurate!" – The Cop-Out of a Man with No Argument
Translation: "I have no rebuttal, but if I act condescending enough, maybe people won’t notice."

Fallguy, buddy, if something’s inaccurate, prove it.
Where’s your data? Where’s your evidence? Where’s your actual point that hasn’t already been sliced, diced, and burned to ashes by the forum?
Oh, that’s right—you don’t have one.
2. "You Don’t Understand My Argument!" – The Fallguy Special
Translation: "I'm losing, so I’ll pretend my point is more complex than it actually is."

Nah, Fallguy, we understand your argument perfectly—it’s just dumb.
You think Jordan’s higher assisted FG% = better leader/more dynasty-friendly, while LeBron creating his own shots = bad for team success.
That’s not misunderstood—it’s just garbage logic that the entire forum has torn to shreds.
Saying “you don’t get it” doesn’t make you sound smart—it makes you sound like a guy getting crushed in a debate who’s run out of things to say.
3. "I’m Just Being Misrepresented!" – When Reality Hurts Too Much
Translation: "I want to pretend I’m winning, but I keep getting dunked on."

No, Fallguy, you’re not being “misrepresented.”
Your takes are getting directly quoted and systematically destroyed, and your only response is to whine about being misunderstood instead of actually backing anything up.
We’re not twisting your words—you’re just embarrassed that they sound even worse when repeated back to you.
Fallguy vs. Reality: A Rivalry He Keeps Losing
Every single time you try to argue, the forum treats you like a poorly coded NPC—just running the same broken script over and over while getting wrecked in real-time. Let’s see how badly you’ve lost at every stage of this:

You said Jordan’s higher assisted FG% proves he was a better dynasty builder.

You got obliterated with basic logic—Jordan played in a structured system (Triangle Offense) that emphasized ball movement. LeBron played in multiple different systems that required him to be the offense.
You ignored this.
You implied that self-creation is a bad thing for team success.

You got annihilated with common sense. If anything, being able to create your own shot in high-pressure situations is crucial to dynasty success.
You ignored this.
You dismissed LeBron’s competition, acting like he didn’t face superteams.

You got humiliated with history. The 2007 Spurs, 2013 Spurs, 2016 Warriors, 2017 Warriors (w/ Durant) were ALL tougher than most of Jordan’s Finals opponents.
You ignored this.
You claimed my response was inaccurate.

You provided exactly zero corrections, zero evidence, and zero actual counterpoints.
You got exposed for not even having an argument anymore.
Final Verdict: Fallguy, Just Take the L Already
At this point, you're not even debating anymore—you’re just performing a one-man play called "Delusion: The Musical."

Nobody is taking you seriously.
Nobody is buying your whining about being misrepresented.
Nobody thinks your AFGP theory is even remotely logical.
This thread should be framed in a museum as an example of how to get absolutely bodybagged on the internet. But sure, keep repeating the same tired deflections and pretending you’re on to something.

The rest of us will just sit back, grab some popcorn, and enjoy watching you get dunked on like prime Vince Carter over a French 7-footer.