In other news
In the current news climate we see that some figures and events tend to dominate the front-pages heavily. Still, there are important, interesting or just plain weird things happening out there and a group of people can find these better than one.
I thought I would test with a thread for linking general news articles about "other news" and discussion. Perhaps it goes into the abyss that is page 2 and beyond, but it is worth a try.
Some guidelines:
- Try to find the "clean link", so that links to the news site directly and not a social media site. Avoid "amp-links" (google).
- Write some cliff notes on what it is about, especially if it is a video.
- It's not an excuse to make outlandish claims via proxy or link extremist content.
- If it's an editorial or opinion piece, it is polite to mark it as such.
- Note the language if it is not in English.
- There is no demand that such things be posted here, if you think a piece merits its own thread, then make one.
I'm sure you have scathing criticisms of the 500 billion dollar fraud that was PPP scams caused by Trump
PPP was a Adam but it's embarrassing to claim it was a scam caused by executive.
both parties agreed to pass a law that allowed for widespread scams because of hmthe urgency of giving money to those in need, very basically. that always causes a zillion dollars being sent to people that don't deserve it. there is no way to help people on need rapidly without allowing vultures to eat a lot of the carcass.
it was a political choice, which maybe was reasonable given the depth of the disaster caused by lockdowns (not by COVID: by lockdowns), but in any fase it was 100% a choice made by Congress, in a fully bipartisan way.
Ukrain fighting for independence = senseless death
Taking over Gaza = making it utopia
Bombing innocents in yemen = thank god
Threaten to kill people over twitter = patriotic
Very consistent messaging and ideology from the free thinkers
PPP was a Adam but it's embarrassing to claim it was a scam caused by executive.
both parties agreed to pass a law that allowed for widespread scams because of hmthe urgency of giving money to those in need, very basically. that always causes a zillion dollars being sent to people that don't deserve it. there is no way to help people on need rapidly without allowing vultures to eat a lot of the carcass.
it was a political choice, which maybe was reasonable given the depth of the disaster caused b
Trump fired the AG who was the oversight committee for the whole thing then never replaced him.
The fraud was a feature implemented by trump
It’s legitimately pathetic how much he’s siphoned off the last 8 years and how well documented and blatant it is
Trump fired the AG who was the oversight committee for the whole thing then never replaced him.
The fraud was a feature implemented by trump
It’s legitimately pathetic how much he’s siphoned off the last 8 years and how well documented and blatant it is
PPP was active for like 10 months under Trump and 4 under Biden. the oversight was at GAO and congressional committees.
it was a congress creature with congress oversight, spanning 2 administration. neither trump nor Biden are responsible for PPP frauds even if they were president while those happened.
stop ascribing everything that happens in American politics to the executive
the talk is threatening but their tribe has a history of just talking, so we should wait for facts other than talking.
the trump clan talks a lot and doesn't act very much
Will be too late once it's a fact. We have to stop ignoring risks until it's ****ed up.
For Greenland that may mean looking towards the EU or it may end up choosing the usa - that will look a lot more attractive to them if the russia threat grows.
Will be too late once it's a fact. We have to stop ignoring risks until it's ****ed up.
For Greenland that may mean looking towards the EU or it may end up choosing the usa - that will look a lot more attractive to them if the russia threat grows.
it's not about ignoring rather about judging.
what do you think could be done even if you thought they intended to conquer Greenland for real?
obviously if they ever actually attempt to the best response is just to give Greenland to them.
they can annihilate the whole world so they can take whatever they want and resistance is actually futile, there is no violent answer to someone who is immensely more powerful than you can ever be, is it? just bend the knee, suck the dick, and hope it is enough to survive.
Vance is a prick but he is correct that military action is an unlikely path. USA will fund/back sympathetic politcians. Its only a population of about 60k and the threats to them from russia/china are real and/or can be be exaggerated. The pot to join the usa can be sweetened easily. Sentiment under threat can shift very quickly.
It's up to Greenlanders but let's not abandon those who would prefer not to join the usa to the usual complacent nonsense about 'they're wrong so dont worry about it'. The risks are very real.
There is no immanent threat to greenland from china and/or russia
true, but there is an imminent threat to the arctic now that's it's very soon going to be navigable (one of the exceptional good benefits of global warming I might add) and Greenland being American would help immensely dealing with that.
then long term there is agriculture and population expansion especially if global warming is going to pan out the way Greta and others think, then Greenland is a first order national security necessity for the USA.
trump is basically agreeing the world is getting warmer, aren't you happy with that?
No I don’t think I am happy about our government using threat of foreign takeover to threaten foreign takeover
It's weird because on one hand they're saying we need Greenland because of security. But the security threat would basically be Russia. On the other hand we're supposed to be buddies with Russia and siding with them against Ukraine.
Depends what you mean by immenent but the Arctic is a serious geopolitical area area that is growing rapidly in importance as the ice melts. It is defended by the usa currently. They have had bases there since WW2 with pretty much unlimited scope and have refused to leave.
USA does have serious intentions to control greenland. Again let's not abandon those who would prefer not to join the usa to the usual complacent nonsense about 'they're wrong so dont worry about it'. The risks are very real.
it's not about ignoring rather about judging.
what do you think could be done even if you thought they intended to conquer Greenland for real?
obviously if they ever actually attempt to the best response is just to give Greenland to them.
they can annihilate the whole world so they can take whatever they want and resistance is actually futile, there is no violent answer to someone who is immensely more powerful than you can ever be, is it? just bend the knee, suck the dick, and hope it is enough to
You truly are a psycho.
You are the human incarnation of manichaeism.
No one could ever drawn in a lake with your depth.
it's not about ignoring rather about judging.
what do you think could be done even if you thought they intended to conquer Greenland for real?
obviously if they ever actually attempt to the best response is just to give Greenland to them.
they can annihilate the whole world so they can take whatever they want and resistance is actually futile, there is no violent answer to someone who is immensely more powerful than you can ever be, is it? just bend the knee, suck the dick, and hope it is enough to
This has to be one of the most pathetic posts I have ever read on this forum.
Depends what you mean by immenent but the Arctic is a serious geopolitical area area that is growing rapidly in importance as the ice melts. It is defended by the usa currently. They have had bases there since WW2 with pretty much unlimited scope and have refused to leave.
USA does have serious intentions to control greenland. Again let's not abandon those who would prefer not to join the usa to the usual complacent nonsense about 'they're wrong so dont worry about it'. The risks are very real.
No, there is certainly no threat to Greenland from China, a cursory glance on a globe will tell anyone that. What are they supposed to do? Sneak an invasion force and naval support group through / next to Russia, Canada and the US?
As a threat from Russia, no, there is none of that either. Even if we ignore the American military base on Greenland which would make invasion effectively be a declaration of war on the US, the north fleet would have to support an amphibious operation through a 4-5 day ocean crossing, and all countries allied with Denmark would know exactly where every ship was at any given time simply due to the geography of Murmansk, and how monitored this expanse is with radar, satellite, submarine patrols and underwater listening posts. And at their current inventory, they probably couldn't even muster enough amphibious strength to begin with.
Vance is a vapid sack of s**t who will say anything to make Trump's ramblings look good, that is all there is too it.
The david v golia fairy tale caused untold damage, to the point even today people still believe the weak can and should take arms against the strong.
History teaches us a very different lesson though, which is to bend the knee or die.
Ah, so now the US is going to genocide Denmark as punishment for not keeling over and giving up Greenland.
Perhaps one day if your country is invaded, the occupier can give you a nice little uniform and official title to go with your convictions.
Lucy has really gone off the deep end.
Ah, so now the US is going to genocide Denmark as punishment for not keeling over and giving up Greenland.
Perhaps one day if your country is invaded, the occupier can give you a nice little uniform and official title to go with your convictions.
If my country is invaded i flee, i am not a samurai jfc, doing the best interest of me and my family is the moral imperative above all.
If i can't flee then ofc i submit to the invader until i can leave.
It's only when the alternative is certain death that you fight from a weaker position with the odds against you.
No, there is certainly no threat to Greenland from China, a cursory glance on a globe will tell anyone that. What are they supposed to do? Sneak an invasion force and naval support group through / next to Russia, Canada and the US?
As a threat from Russia, no, there is none of that either. Even if we ignore the American military base on Greenland which would make invasion effectively be a declaration of war on the US, the north fleet would have to support an amphibious operation through a 4-5 day
To say neither are developing an arctic straegy would be very foolish. To think that doesn't come with dangers would also be foolish.
Vance is a vapid sack of s**t who will say anything to make Trump's ramblings look good, that is all there is too it.
He is But trump didn't invent the growing importance of Greenland as the ice melts.
In 2018, China released a white paper titled China’s Arctic Policy describing its policy in the Arctic. The analysis reflected China’s confident and proactive policies related to the region. Outlining Beijing’s precise aims there, the paper explicated Chinese stakes, linking them to the growing Belt and Road (BRI) trade initiative through the “Polar Silk Road.”1 It can be said that Beijing’s aim is to build a Polar Silk Road in the Arctic region, thereby linking Asia and Europe through logistics and transportation channels traversing this region. Furthermore, China’s interests can be divided into two categories. First: Beijing’s close involvement in the domains of scientific research, resource survey (and the handling of this type of research), shipping, and maritime security. And second: the probable effects of climate change on the region, rightfully highlighted by China as a valid reason that warrants the concern of major players in Arctic matters. The thawing is producing a novel regional order for the practice of statecraft among Arctic and near-Arctic nations. As indicated by Chinese aspirations for its inclusion in the Arctic Council,2 China identifies the prospect that its participation in the growth and expansion of the Arctic’s new regional order will lead to increased opportunity for Beijing to mold the Arctic to its advantage and its national interests. China’s aspirations related to the Arctic region and the evolution of its policy for the Arctic are discussed in detail further below.
