LeBron > Jordan GOAT Super AIDS Containment, solved #22999 post by Matt R. (addendum #23174)

Liar

Carrying the scoring load = 10 ppg or more than all teammates for playoffs and championship level (Finals)

This would include 84' Bird, 94' Hakeem, 00' Shaq, 03' Duncan, 06' Wade, 15' Curry, 22' Curry, 09' Kobe, 10' Kobe, and MJ's 6 rings.

Again, ball-dominators are too ball-dominant at high scoring levels, so they can't carry the scoring load vs top teams.. That's why Lebron never carried the scoring load on the championship level, and also never carried weak help over top teams (never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from a sidekick).

Without scoring 10ppg more than the next teammate, Bron still managed to win 4 championships and 4 MVPs and beat top teams.

Scoring 10ppg more than your next teammate is not a needed requirement to win championships and FMVPs, and therefore we can automatically dismiss the scoring load argument as anything that is relevant in these discussions.

Kyrie Irving scoring 27ppg in 2016 finals against 73 win team, 7ppg higher than his 2016 average and higher still than career averages = proof LeBron elevates his teammates at the highest stage.

We can summarily dismiss all fallguy arguments that LeBron craters his teammates.

This is too easy.

I win, you lose.

Nonsense... 9 different perimeter players won DPOY and Pippen isn't one of them.

This doesn't alone put him out of the top 5, but it's decent evidence... MJ, Payton and Kawhi have clear cases ahead of him, while Rodman does as well... He's borderline top 5 at best.

No one in the top 75 was consistently carried statistically or never achieved elite scoring, rebounds or assists...

Only Pippen.

Pippen is the only top 75 player that was a carried bum and simply inflated by the winning spotlight.

A secondary producer like Klay or Pippen would never be asked to build a team from scratch (franchise player), and Pippen only briefly inherited a 1st option role by being handed the goat dynasty in 1994... But since he wasn't really a 1st option or franchise player, the goat dynasty quickly cratered to barely .500 in less than 18 months, at which point Pippen was begging the real franchise player to return and restore a 3-peat.

History shows that secondary producers and carried sidekicks like Klay, Pau, Parker, Ginobili and Pippen need the winning spotlight of titles to make All-NBA, while truly dominant players like AD, KAT, Bosh and Love make All-NBA without any playoff success because everyone knows they're elite producers that are building bad teams from scratch.

He came before wilt ?
Wilt lost like 5 times vs him …being the incredibly scorers he is and yet got crush , why ?

And please don’t say KD is better either …. The only way he won was able to win is to join with the mvp of the league and one of the greatest , if not the greatest, backcourt ever ….
KD is a perennial loser being the great scorer he is that u praise so much . ..

So KD better style better scorer -> 2 ring , wilt same thing -> 2 rings only .
Russel the exception because you said so ?
Ok then Kareem at #4 , was he ever vastly the leading scorer with all the defense attention on him ?? lol no -> another that should have an exception too ?

Wtf ….vut her lebron 4 rings , 4 final mvp -> nah he suck’s ….

I told u since the beginning you will never find all top 10 players that fit your criteria better then lebron !
And , wtf , couldn’t u just get lebron a pass like u do to all other all time great ?
The hate in you and the nonsense u keep trying to fit data that just doesn’t it’s just amazing ….

I’m done , u just have no freakn clue wtf u talking about and can’t even provide one go damn line of thinking or set of data that agrees about your theories ….

Your crazy talk about LeBron not top 10 just discredit the last 10 years u wrote in this thread .
The day u admit u are wrong about level top 10 I will listen to you again …

Fellas, it's okay that you never saw the best and instead saw a guy that never evolved out of simpleton, AAU chemistry, while lacking the IQ and hoops instinct to play well off other good players like Luka, Wade, AD, and others.. Hence the underachievement of favored rosters, such as losing with preseason favorites for 6 straight years (11-16'), or falling to underdog.. In addition to Lebron's bad chemistry having the effect of underperforming favored rosters, it has a losing record with every type of good team, such as preseason favorites, Finals teams, all-star teammates, 1 or 2 seeds, and 3 losses with homecourt.. By virtue of underachieving favored rosters more than anyone ever did, and also losing the most with good teams, Lebron is the biggest loser of all-time.

Bought to you by the era that couldn't work out 3>2.

Huh?
He won 3 rings ffs and in 2015 Kyrie dindt freakn play .
Man no idea what u smoke but it’s gooodddddd .

Yeah, he doesn't understand odds.

Literally showed him that LeBron has out-performed his odds as a pre-season favourite.

Still doesn't understand.

His reply to trying to work out what return you get when you win was really bad. I mean, on par for him, but really bad.

Scottie Pippen led the Bulls to a 55 win season and was 3rd in MVP voting during the year Michael Jordan was too busy batting .203 in AA

In the 10 games that year that Scottie missed, the Bulls went 4-6

They were 51-21 when he played. That's an elite team. And Fallguy will try to tell you Jordan dragged a bunch of scrubs to championships.