LeBron > Jordan GOAT Super AIDS Containment, solved #22999 post by Matt R. (addendum #23174)
Very impressed with the minute sequence where LeBron clearly lost the ball headed to the rim, heat got the ball anyway and scored, then he elbows his defender in the chin, drawing a defensive foul and stern talking to from the official and hitting a 3.
It's these ref assisted 5 point swings in close games that truly bring out the best in great players.
Link to post of why Elon Musk is the true GOAT: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
The thread that will go on for years..........
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The 94' Bulls were scrubs that won via 3-peat chemistry.
So the 94' Bulls were propped up by 3-peat chemistry and a honeymoon period where no one cared to play them without MJ - a massive letdown for every opponent.. .
When you have an incredibly dumb theory like this, you should probably try to have evidence.
After Lebron leaving the Heat, Bosh and Wade stayed and went 37-45.
After the Lakers 3peat, they lost in the finals and then Shaq left but Kobe stayed. Lakers went 34-48.
When Magic had to retire, the Lakers went from a 58-25 team that dominated for a decade to a 43-39 first round exit team.
After the Warriors fell apart, they went 15-50 the next year. They had none of their stars so opponents should've had no interest in trying at all and should've just let them win all their games.
After the Bulls second 3 peat, they lost their star studded support cast, and went 13-37. How come they didn't get a honeymoon period where everyone showed up uninspired and just let them win?
Lakers are 15 to 1 (If you aren't sure how these types of odds work PM me and I'll give you my 12 year old nephews number and he'll walk you through it), so they aren't expected to win it.
The only reason the Lakers' odds aren't much better is because Lebron cannot play anywhere near 82 games and the all-star game at 40 years old like MJ did... His inability to play 82 games stems from his inability to manage his energy by playing off teammates instead of dominating the ball.. This approach also allows better chemistry with Luka so both guys can achieve maximum consistency and production, while achieving the "thrust" in the halfcourt - the lack of which lost the lakers the 3rd quarter last night, as Redick states here - what he's really talking about is the having the type of halfcourt offense that wears down the opponent and therefore zaps the opponent's capacity for offense, or thrust:
Including lies to explain why you cherry pick does not justify cherry picking. You deliberately left out 1993 because that was Pippen’s worst year, statistically.
As you yourself have said before, since you have to lie, you lost.
You used a period of 1991 to 1993 for Pippen, but everyone knows that the 91' regular season wasn't his prime yet, so comparing Pippen's pre-prime to his peak in 94' is unfair.
Otoh, comparing his peak without Jordan (94') to his peak with Jordan (92') makes perfect sense.. This shows that Pippen's peak raw production was higher alongside Jordan (PPG + APG) than on his own.. The 93' season simply reflects an entire cast that was beat-up and resting for the postseason run.
You also cannot address that Pippen's assists increased by 17%, while Wade's decreased by 54% alongside Lebron, and how Lebron's lowering of everyone's assists causes the team assist deficits that characterize every playoff loss of his career.
You used a period of 1991 to 1993 for Pippen, but everyone knows that the 91' regular season wasn't his prime yet, so comparing Pippen's pre-prime to his peak in 94' is unfair.
Scottie Pippen offensive BPM in ‘91 = 3.2
Scottie Pippen offensive BPM in ‘93 = 2.6
Scottie Pippen was statistically worse offensively in 1993. You left out 1993 in your previous posts, where you lied and cherry picked specific seasons. Yet you are talking about 1991 above, an entirely different year.
I included all 3 years of Pippen’s prime with Jordan in the first 3 peat. I included all 3 years of Pippen’s prime with Jordan in the second 3 peat. I included both of the years of Pippen’s prime without Jordan, when he was playing baseball. This is the full, relevant dataset. This is how you analyze data without cherry picking. This is how to do statistics without lying.
You have said in the past that if you lie, you must have lost. Was that projection, and does it apply here?
But none of that stuff should matter if opponents aren't bothering to try because of some honeymoon lack of motivation nonsense you made up.
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Clutch Points (last 5 within 5) for 2016 2nd Round:
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch...
Clutch Points for 1994 2nd Round:
The Heat were injured in 15' but nearly made 16' ECF just like 94' Bulls without MJ
Playoffs
16' WADE....... 22.3 PER.. 4.9 bpm.. 0.148 ws/48.. 0.8 vorp.. 22/6/4 on 47%
94' PIPPEN'.... 22.8 PER.. 5.6 bpm.. 0.149 ws/48.. 0.7 vorp.. 23/8/6 on 43%
^^™ the difference is that Wade was building the Heat like a real 1st option does, while Pippen drove the Bulls downward and was borderline lottery in 95' before MJ restored 3-peat caliber
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Last year when LA visited Boston without AD and Lebron:
When you have an incredibly dumb theory like this (that teams could care 2 bird craps about playing the Bulls without the GOAT present), you should probably try to have evidence.
The 55 wins in the regular season fools new fans from 2025 into thinking the goat dynasty didn't fall off in 1994, but the playoffs and following season showed that it fell to 2nd Round loser and barely .500, respectively..
So that's your evidence, along with the common knowledge that teams take the night off when the opponent's stars are out - that's how Austin Reaves marched into Boston last year and knocked off the champs without AD and Lebron (see previous post above).. Pippen faced that all year in 94'.
Ultimately, MJ left the Bulls a goat dynasty but returned to a .500 ballclub with a downward trajectory.. He restored 3-peat caliber in his first full season back.
Bosh and Wade were injured in 2015, yet the Heat still barely missed the playoffs by 1/2 game, and then nearly made the 16' ECF with Wade healthy again and the star (see stats in previous post that compares fossil Wade's run in the 16' Playoffs to peak Pippen in the 94' Playoffs).
Meanwhile, the 2011 Cavs lost their entire starting 5 and a total of 52 ppg by losing Mo, Varejao, Shaq, Zydrunas and Delonte, so it's clear that team-hoppers like lebron GUT teams and force them to start over...
Meanwhile, the 2019 Cavs were missing their 1st option Kevin Love, so that amounts to another gutting of a team by a LeTeamHopper.. He used up Love and AD's prime and then spit them out - and it must've been so unsatisfying - only 1 title each in 10 total seasons with them... Somehow this is perceived as goat caliber by many - it's called fraud.. Plain and simple.
Someone on here made a few comments about fallguy getting pissed off and deliberately injuring a teammate, back when he was a benchwarmer in college. Was there a post somewhere about that that I missed??
I didn't deliberately injure anyone, but Raja Bell's quadricep did run into my knee when he was trying to post me up and he was out for a week with a big bandage around his thigh.. I barely felt it but I knew that he was screwed because I felt him hit that hard part of my leg and bounced off like a rubber ball.. I think this is a preview of what would happen if he and I faced off in MMA... A 6'7" Jon Jones with heavy Jamaican bones sharp as knives on top of his ass.
Scottie Pippen offensive BPM in ‘91 = 3.2
Scottie Pippen offensive BPM in ‘93 = 2.6
Scottie Pippen was statistically worse offensively in 1993.
Now you're switching it to BPM, which is a defensive stat and then saying his offensive stats increased?
That's clear cut fraud, full stop, smh.... lol
Again, we've established that Pippen's peak PPG + APG was higher with Jordan (92') than without (94'), while a 12% decline alongside Jordan is seen in the down years in 93' from pursuing the 3-peat, or pre-prime year of 91', and old/banged-up years from 96-98'.
This 12% decline in scoring is the same as Wade's 12%, except that Jordan's superior off-ball skillset and chemistry increased Pippen's assists by 17%, while Wade's decreased by 54% - this lowering of everyone's assists alongside Lebron produced low assist teams that characterize every series loss of Lebron's playoff career.. carry on
