Donald J. Trump (For everyone else except Victor)

Donald J. Trump (For everyone else except Victor)

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by coordi k

As proposed, 80% of Trumps voting base gets absolutely eviscerated, as predicted.

This does nothing for the economy, helps nobody struggling, and massively reduces taxation of the rich

if we get significant cuts to medicaid and food stamps, + mass deportation of illegals, that's really deflationary.

reducing inflation helps all normal people, allows for more rate cuts than the counterfactual, which mean lower interest expenses by the federal government which helps every taxpayer.

and the above combination is positive for employment especially if the residual medicaid has work requirements.

not sure why you think trump voters are medicaid and food stamp beneficiaries more than Harris voters though.

and lol at the idea 80% of them are


by Luciom k

if we get significant cuts to medicaid and food stamps, + mass deportation of illegals, that's really deflationary.

reducing inflation helps all normal people, allows for more rate cuts than the counterfactual, which mean lower interest expenses by the federal government which helps every taxpayer.

and the above combination is positive for employment especially if the residual medicaid has work requirements.

not sure why you think trump voters are medicaid and food stamp beneficiaries more than Har

mass deportations of illegals is objectively inflationary. I linked you a video from a Brittish finance manager literally today that you clearly didn't watch

I can't stress enough that many of the things you pontificate about can be objectively measured. There isn't an opinion on these things, just facts, and your "opinion" is typically wrong


by coordi k

400 milly for some kinda armored vehicles sounds like a deal to me

Why aren't any of the bidders Tesla?


by coordi k

mass deportations of illegals is objectively inflationary. I linked you a video from a Brittish finance manager literally today that you clearly didn't watch

I can't stress enough that many of the things you pontificate about can be objectively measured. There isn't an opinion on these things, just facts, and your "opinion" is typically wrong

it isnt clearly inflationary at all given housing is almost half of the American inflation index.

population shrinkages are usually associated with low/deflation and population increases with inflation, ceteris paribus, in literature.

deportation of mostly working age people might be a tad different BUT given the insane weighting of housing in your inflation index and the artificial scarcity of housing related mostly to local regulations, that effect should significantly overcompensate the modest inflationary effect of low skilled wage pressures increasing because of lower supply of low skilled people.

you cannot objectively measure something that didn't happen yet btw, ad it's quite ******ed to claim you can.

You can only make educated guesses, and yes those are just opinions.


by Luciom k

it isnt clearly inflationary at all given housing is almost half of the American inflation index.

population shrinkages are usually associated with low/deflation and population increases with inflation, ceteris paribus, in literature.

deportation of mostly working age people might be a tad different BUT given the insane weighting of housing in your inflation index and the artificial scarcity of housing related mostly to local regulations, that effect should significantly overcompensate the modest

Again, you are just wrong, because Obama implemented county by county deportations and there were many studies into the effects of those rollouts specifically to determine the effects of mass deportation.

You would know this if you actually cared about educating yourself on the topic and not just pontificating nonsense endlessly

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10...


good politico article about why healthcare lobbyists aren't pushing as much as they could against RFK

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/12...


by Luciom k

it kinda does (cyber truck as mentioned)

I heard EVs have no place in any kinda war etc context--I mean what if it's cloudy? You just sit there and die? πŸ˜€


by coordi k

Again, you are just wrong, because Obama implemented county by county deportations and there were many studies into the effects of those rollouts specifically to determine the effects of mass deportation.

You would know this if you actually cared about educating yourself on the topic and not just pontificating nonsense endlessly

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10...

the abstract of the paper you linked claims wages (for all workers) decreased, that is inflationary in which planet?

do you read what you link?

moreover I would be quite cautious in giving any validity to a paper whose abstract claims contemporarily that labor costs increased and wages decreased for all workers.

to the point my heuristics forbid me to waste any time reading the actual paper, that nonsensical oxymoronic claim in the abstract is enough


by wet work k

I heard EVs have no place in any kinda war etc context--I mean what if it's cloudy? You just sit there and die? πŸ˜€

it's the state department not the DoD.

official motorcades, ambassador cars and whatnot


In politics there is the standard lying to expedite one's career, and there is the yuge lying as if there is no such thing as reality, as if the purpose of language is to overrule reality.


by Luciom k

the abstract of the paper you linked claims wages (for all workers) decreased, that is inflationary in which planet?

do you read what you link?

moreover I would be quite cautious in giving any validity to a paper whose abstract claims contemporarily that labor costs increased and wages decreased for all workers.

to the point my heuristics forbid me to waste any time reading the actual paper, that nonsensical oxymoronic claim in the abstract is enough

Deporting your lowest paid workers increases wages demanded which increases labor costs which decreases available jobs. While high unemployment is typically deflationary (and universally considered a bad thing), removing the lowest wage workers who produce your food, build your houses, and generally provide your services for as cheap as possible does actually cause prices of food, housing, and services to go up. This effect is compounded because you've reduced your capability to deliver these things which drives up demand for the remaining food, house, and service providers.


by coordi k

Deporting your lowest paid workers increases wages demanded which increases labor costs which decreases available jobs. While high unemployment is typically deflationary (and universally considered a bad thing), removing the lowest wage workers who produce your food, build your houses, and generally provide your services for as cheap as possible does actually cause prices of food, housing, and services to go up.

so the end result in equilibrium after the initial disruption is deflationary for wages as I claimed *according to the paper you linked*.

which in the abstract does cite decrease in demand as well (which is deflationary), not increase as you fraudulently claim here.

basically if you deport 11m people, you might lose out on food (the food they were part of the supply of was more than what they and their families ate), you don't lose in equilibrium in wages (because the momentary early increase is more than offset by the lower aggregate demand *per your paper*), but you massively gain in housing because their contribution to yearly production of housing, while positive, doesn't come close to their use of housing stock.

you get 4m dwelling liberated immediately, and maybe 100k fewer houses built per year, do you get what I mean? can you acknowledge how massively deflationary this is?

then let's do healthcare and education.

illegals are virtually absent from healthcare and education supply while sucking up scarce demand (less than legal residents, but still they do).

housing healthcare and education make up 65% of the inflation index. those are all sectors where illegals (and their families) use more of the existing supply than they contribute generating.

it's deflationary to remove them from the country


by Luciom k

so the end result in equilibrium after the initial disruption is deflationary for wages as I claimed *according to the paper you linked*.

which in the abstract does cite decrease in demand as well (which is deflationary), not increase as you fraudulently claim here.

basically if you deport 11m people, you might lose out on food (the food they were part of the supply of was more than what they and their families ate), you don't lose in equilibrium in wages (because the momentary early increase is m

Your entire point hinges on an assumption that illegal immigrants are hoarding highly desired housing, which isn't even a good inference, let alone evidence based.

You could just read a paper or watch a video and stop talking out your ass


by Luciom k

it's the state department not the DoD.

official motorcades, ambassador cars and whatnot

Even worse then--and fully within my use of etc. πŸ˜€


"People who have lived by believing, when told by their new authoritarian leaders what is true, just uncritically believe ... they don't challenge, critique, analyze, but just swallow it. They want a totalitarian boss, even if it's invisible and mythological."


by coordi k

Your entire point hinges on an assumption that illegal immigrants are hoarding highly desired housing, which isn't even a good inference, let alone evidence based.

You could just read a paper or watch a video and stop talking out your ass

coordi set a budget someone making $20 an hour or less can reasonably afford for rent

following 30% rule, that's about 1k a month

now find living accommodations in any major job center where you have a reasonable commute to work

now try to find that which isn't in outright squalor or in areas you'd be concerned about going for a neighborhood walk in at night


by coordi k

Your entire point hinges on an assumption that illegal immigrants are hoarding highly desired housing, which isn't even a good inference, let alone evidence based.

You could just read a paper or watch a video and stop talking out your ass

No it doesn't. *ANY* use of housing affects ALL housing prices, in both directions. Because everyone on the demand side shifts up or down the ladder if prices grow or go down.

Illegals are presumably renting more than the average of the population, and renting lower quality housing.

But that affects all housing prices (and all implicit rents). It's a cascade in both directions (and it's a well known effect in literature).

If you build more high end houses, that reduces the prices for all houses. If you build more low end houses, same.

Housing stock quality stands on a continuum and any supply change at any point of the continuum affects all prices.

If 4m poor quality houses/flats just become available overnight prices go down for all houses in the affected areas.

Btw I strongly recommend NOT to use videos as an information source on technical topics like this and many others where you need to be able to crystalize a claim, research it elsewhere with the same wording, and so on.


by rickroll k

coordi set a budget someone making $20 an hour or less can reasonably afford for rent

following 30% rule, that's about 1k a month

now find living accommodations in any major job center where you have a reasonable commute to work

now try to find that which isn't in outright squalor or in areas you'd be concerned about going for a neighborhood walk in at night

Need more than one such earner per household (or at least some help in welfare, under the table earning from someone else and so on) to do it in normal or better urban areas.

Now if magically 4m such houses get empty, finding one costs a ton less, which means the marginally better ones go down in price as well and so on up to m mansions and above.


by Luciom k

so the end result in equilibrium after the initial disruption is deflationary for wages as I claimed *according to the paper you linked*.

which in the abstract does cite decrease in demand as well (which is deflationary), not increase as you fraudulently claim here.

basically if you deport 11m people, you might lose out on food (the food they were part of the supply of was more than what they and their families ate), you don't lose in equilibrium in wages (because the momentary early increase is m

This is by FAR, the dumbest thing i have read from a liberal, all week!


by rooooktaker k

This is by FAR, the dumbest thing i have read from a liberal, all week!

calling luciom a liberal is probably the funniest thing I've read all week


tbf he might be on the american political spectrum, and probably italian (nobody knows or cares)


by rooooktaker k

This is by FAR, the dumbest thing i have read from a liberal, all week!

Playing may now have some competition for bottom of the barrel posting.


by rooooktaker k

This is by FAR, the dumbest thing i have read from a liberal, all week!

This is a remarkable piece of self-ownage.


by Luciom k

Need more than one such earner per household (or at least some help in welfare, under the table earning from someone else and so on) to do it in normal or better urban areas.

Now if magically 4m such houses get empty, finding one costs a ton less, which means the marginally better ones go down in price as well and so on up to m mansions and above.

i've been apartment hunting on and off for 2 years now and since i have simple tastes and no guaranteed income with regular massive downswings i've been looking at super cheap stuff

there's very little in the ways of <1k a month that is neither in a really dangerous location or not absolute squalor

i'm regularly shocked by how hard it is for most americans because i think housing is insane and yet i'm making quite a bit more than the median income


Why don't they just establish a "Ministry of Truth" and say the book was a motherblanking prophecy, while we're at all this make-believe crap? One of the main sources of immorality is overruling reality with make-believe, whims and wishes over reality, faking reality as a primary way of coping. And we're looking at it in spades, clubs, diamonds, hearts and frickin jokers.

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