Superuser Caught on GGPoker - "MoneyTaker69" Thread
User "MoneyTaker69" is alleged to be superusing on GG Poker.
In December, Moneytaker won at 90bb/100 on GG Poker in 8,900 hands playing 53% VPIP. Soon after, he binked a $150 Sunday MTT for $47,586 while playing an extremely volatile strategy, which aroused a lot of suspicion. GG Poker has acknowledged the situation privately and is preparing to address it, but it's important for the public to know immediately due to the significance of superusing.
The Results
The following results graph comes from Smarthand, a site that tracks online poker results. MoneyTaker won at 90bb/100 in December playing 53/17.
Typically, a player with this VPIP/PFR ratio would be in the -50bb/100 range. Even if we were impossibly generous and said he was breakeven, this run would be a statical anomaly. For a -50bb recreational? Impossible.
Here is a primedope simulation of the probability of a breakeven player having this run.
The following is a simulation of possible runs for a player with a given winrate using primedope's variance calculator. The light blue line at the top of the graph represents the "Best" run, which is the luckiest run a person could have in 1,000 trials.
This is a -50bb player playing 9000 hands. Their luckiest run is around -10 buyins. Mokeytaker won 77 buy-ins.
Additionally, MoneyTaker won a $150 GG Masters Sunday MTT, which is a big open field tournament. This makes the possibility of chip dumping or targeting specific players with a virus much less likely.
The Hands
The following hands were collected by various users as examples of likely foul play.
How is he cheating?
Based off his play, the most natural explanation is that he can see the cards. He rarely puts in money significantly behind or calls the river with the worst hand. Also, his winrate is so high that RTA could not possibly explain it.
It's unclear how he's able to see others' cards, and it's possible he's not the only one exploiting a glitch in the system. A post on 2+2 highlighted a group of suspicious accounts that played for brief stints and won for >30bb/100, which is particularly difficult on GG due to their rake structure.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...
There is no clear evidence that the players highlighted in the above post are superusing, but it's not unreasonable to suspect that this could be a larger issue at scale if done by hackers that want to be less obvious than running >50% VPIP.
Hacker Group
"MoneyTaker" is a hacker group. It's unclear if this account is in any way associated with them or if it's just incidental, but worth mentioning.
What's Next?
As a community, we await GG Poker's response. I'm confident they'll do the right thing and share everything they know about this incident shortly.
He was winning at almost 3times the winrate of the last confirmed super user. I don't understand why he stopped playing. Probably switched accounts, or went to Rush and Cash. The part where we can't actually check and we won't get any answers from GG is gonna suck again.
lmao cbetting flops turns and rivers 70 and having that sort of graph
he doesnt really like folding to cbets either 🙂
well well well
Looks like an ordinary chipdump that ended up getting banned. You can just unload hands and check.
Doesn't look like a superuser at all. Steal 30%- as an example.
Confirm. I have checked. Thats a chipdump.
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Okay, this makes sense then. At least some positive news. However, them allowing someone to chipdump across so many hands is also not a good sign for their security systems, is it?
At least this doesn't affect other players.
yes its very rare for chipdumping to span so many hands, its another sign GG has a terrible security department
yes its very rare for chipdumping to span so many hands, its another sign GG has a terrible security department
One would thing that such a obvious chipdump gets snapbanned, but maybe they are waiting for one of them to request a cashout?
I am not really worried or care about chip dumping since it doesn't affect other players unless done in an MTT, so I really couldn't care less, but yeah, it is a bad look for their security department for sure.
the reason behind chip dumping, however, is almost always detrimental to other players so it does affect other players and should be punished
must still be great times for poker when a MDA coach asks whats harmful about chip dumping
well, i think the first thing you can do is ask what reasons there would be for chip dumping in the first place
this will get you a long way
must still be great times for poker when a MDA coach asks whats harmful about chip dumping
this will get you a long way
Not sure why the dig at my coaching, but OK.
I would think most CG chip dumping would be done by people who want to launder illegal money through a gambling site. I still fail to see how this affects other players if it's done in large chunks over a small sample of hands or in heads up formation. Really can't think of any other reason anyone would chip dump with this insane rake.
"I still fail to see how this affects other players if it's done in large chunks over a small sample of hands or in heads up formation."
if money laundering thru online poker becomes easy it will cause governments to put pressure on the sites legally. Maybe even banning or confiscating more sites or creating segregated pools with bigger oversight but higher taxes. Can hinder legislations even a further dream. etc
all bad for the player.
"I still fail to see how this affects other players if it's done in large chunks over a small sample of hands or in heads up formation."
if money laundering thru online poker becomes easy it will cause governments to put pressure on the sites legally. Maybe even banning or confiscating more sites or creating segregated pools with bigger oversight but higher taxes. Can hinder legislations even a further dream. etc
all bad for the player.
I see, that sounds like a fair argument. I don't really think GG specifically cares, since they seem to be ignoring most legislation as far as I know, but yeah, it is a bad look.
A lot of big tournament scores have been withdrawn via chip dumping.
Why would someone chip dump over 6.5k hands at 50nl? Surely they just go to high stakes and do it over a few hands. Also has 59 won at show down which doesn't make sense for chip dumping as a lot of this has to be against regular players, you can't play 6k hands only against the people who are dumping to you.
MDA, it's not just money laundering
if you run a botnetwork then the real point of risk is withdrawals
so if you're withdrawing from 1 account in your actual name vs all 20 accounts under various names which may not hold up to various checks then your life gets a lot easier
there's other reasons as well why people would trip dump and none of them are good
MDA, it's not just money laundering
if you run a botnetwork then the real point of risk is withdrawals
so if you're withdrawing from 1 account in your actual name vs all 20 accounts under various names which may not hold up to various checks then your life gets a lot easier
there's other reasons as well why people would trip dump and none of them are good
Thanks for the explanation, those sound fair
Why would someone chip dump over 6.5k hands at 50nl? Surely they just go to high stakes and do it over a few hands. Also has 59 won at show down which doesn't make sense for chip dumping as a lot of this has to be against regular players, you can't play 6k hands only against the people who are dumping to you.
Bingo! Chip dumping is an obv. excuse from the shills.
Also, why would you chip dumb at 10nl reg tables when you can do it at 5nl undetected as 5nl reg tables aren't tracked...
Bingo! Chip dumping is an obv. excuse from the shills.
Also, why would you chip dumb at 10nl reg tables when you can do it at 5nl undetected as 5nl reg tables aren't tracked...
TylerRM who confirmed this is most likely a chip dump is probably one of the people who is looking hardest for bots and anomalies in player stats on the site... as far from a shill as possible.
Also, why would you chip dumb at 10nl reg tables when you can do it at 5nl undetected as 5nl reg tables aren't tracked...
Because they don't know?
Why would someone chip dump over 6.5k hands at 50nl? Surely they just go to high stakes and do it over a few hands. Also has 59 won at show down which doesn't make sense for chip dumping as a lot of this has to be against regular players, you can't play 6k hands only against the people who are dumping to you.
Why did the superuser ****s at Ultimate Bet cheat in a obvious way when they were printing money with rake?
Is this guy trolling with this nickname or what?he plays RC100 right now
